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    'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    TORONTO — The Ontario government secretly passed legislation giving police sweeping new powers for the duration of the G8 and G20 summits.

    Police are now able to jail anyone who refuses to furnish identification and submit to a search while within five metres of a designated security zone in downtown Toronto.

    Critics reacted furiously to the new rules, which remained unpublicized until Thursday when a 32 year-old man was arrested in Toronto for refusing to show ID to police.

    New Democrat MPP Peter Kormos said Friday the provincial Liberals created a “Kafka-esque” situation where people could be arrested for violating rules they didn’t know existed.

    “This is very very repugnant stuff and should be troubling to everybody,” he said.

    The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said it was “extremely concerned” that the new measures violate constitutional safeguards.

    Nathalie Des Rosiers, general counsel for the CCLA said the changes are contrary to Canadian law.

    “You don’t have any obligation to speak to Canadian police, to give your name or the reasons for your existence unless you’ve done something wrong — unless you’re being detained or arrested,” she said. “So on its face, it’s a dramatic change from what our constitution guarantees.”




    Personally I love this new law because it doesn't allow these kids of whom many are there to cause trouble (my evidence is every other world bank meeting) and this allows the police to get the more violent little bastards off the street faster to ensure a peaceful protest.

    I'm really at a loss why anyone would object to showing ID to a police officer who requests it. You should always have some form of ID on you. And yes that includes when you are running, biking, walking whatever.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    listen. canada is nowhere near as fascist as the usa.

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    This law is garbage

    The Police work for me, I do not work for the police. The government works for me, not the other way around

    Unless the police have a reasonable believe that I have committed an "actual offense" they should not even have the right to look at me funny. The only time I will ever show the police my id is when they have a justifiable reason to see it. Ie I was driving a motor vehicle, I committed an offense, or I am filling a report with the police. Otherwise they can wash my car.

    Canada is a free country where the police should not have "secret laws" and the government should not take away the freedoms of Canadians just to make the security of politicians better. If they are concerned about security they can meet up in the Artic on Baffin Island. Very few protesters will be able to get to Baffin Island. The moronic government instead feels it is better to lock down the business district of Canada's largest city for a political gab fest
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    This law is garbage

    The Police work for me, I do not work for the police. The government works for me, not the other way around
    The police work for the people not individual people.

    Unless the police have a reasonable believe that I have committed an "actual offense" they should not even have the right to look at me funny. The only time I will ever show the police my id is when they have a justifiable reason to see it. Ie I was driving a motor vehicle, I committed an offense, or I am filling a report with the police. Otherwise they can wash my car.

    Canada is a free country where the police should not have "secret laws" and the government should not take away the freedoms of Canadians just to make the security of politicians better. If they are concerned about security they can meet up in the Artic on Baffin Island. Very few protesters will be able to get to Baffin Island. The moronic government instead feels it is better to lock down the business district of Canada's largest city for a political gab fest
    Then elect different congressmen. They created the law.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The police work for the people not individual people.
    actually, the police work for the government. no citizen should expect a right to police assistance



    Then elect different congressmen. They created the law.
    agreed, hold their elected representatives to the fire on this
    seems they adopted the dicknbush 'free speech zones' up there, too. that is nearly as onerous as being arrested for violation of a law which was intentionally kept secret
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually, the police work for the government.
    Who are elected by the people.

    no citizen should expect a right to police assistance
    No idea where you are going with this.

    agreed, hold their elected representatives to the fire on this
    seems they adopted the dicknbush 'free speech zones' up there, too. that is nearly as onerous as being arrested for violation of a law which was intentionally kept secret
    I always love it when liberals like yourself scream about cheney and bush. Can you point to a single right you lost under them that they are responsible for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The police work for the people not individual people.
    Correct, they work for the people, of which I am one of. As such they work for me and many other people


    Then elect different congressmen. They created the law.
    Members of Parliament are our elected officials in Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Correct, they work for the people, of which I am one of. As such they work for me and many other people
    But not only you. Why are you do against having idenitification on you?

    Members of Parliament are our elected officials in Canada
    Right. So complain to them
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    This seems like a bad precedent for Canada.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by somepeoplesay View Post
    This seems like a bad precedent for Canada.
    It's not unusual.

    Practically every country takes a heavy hand with it's citizens whenever the big 20 meet together.
    Most of the time it's not explicitly legislated though.
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