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'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

ric27 said:
You vote, you get to voice an opinion...you don't vote **** off! :)
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An unfortunate and untrue belief, I get an opinion no matter what.
As far as election choices go, I'm up against the mob.
Essentially a group of ignorant, whiny thieves.

My voice in government would not exist, whether or not I vote.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
An unfortunate and untrue belief, I get an opinion no matter what.
As far as election choices go, I'm up against the mob.
Essentially a group of ignorant, whiny thieves.

My voice in government would not exist, whether or not I vote.
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It sounds to me as if you want to have your cake and eat it too.
 
ric27 said:
You vote, you get to voice an opinion...you don't vote **** off! :)
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Last time I checked we all have free speech, whether we vote or not. How about if YOU don't like it, you unsubscribe from this thread? Last time I checked you aren't a moderator.

Now **** off.
 
texmaster said:
I'm really at a loss why anyone would object to showing ID to a police officer who requests it.
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My identity is mine to publish when and where I see fit, provided that I'm not engaged in an activity that either requires a license or represents a threat to public safety.

I'm really at a loss why anyone who expects me to show ID to a police officer who requests it under any other circumstances.
 
texmaster said:
It helps them keep others safe.
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Really? Do you honestly believe that someone on the scene who is bent on harming others is going to be stopped in their tracks because a police officer asked them for identification?

texmaster said:
Why is it such a big deal for you to be able to identify yourself when asked?
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Because if I'm not representing a threat to public safety, the police should have no right whatsoever to harass me.

texmaster said:
Do we just assume police are always up to no good and will randomly question people for no reason?
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Police officers are people, just like you and I. They don't magically become better people simply because they wear a uniform.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Everyone screams out against random or mandatory carding and checking. . . until a person who wasn't carded or questioned gets away with **** like setting their underpants on fire in an effort to blow up and airplane . . . then everyone screams "Why isn't the system efficient enough to catch everyone before they do something bad!"
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Well, no, not everyone.

People are going to get away with all sorts of **** whether we empower the government to harass us or not.
 
Oh yeah... the whole keeping people safe thing. Kind of reminds me of a quote from the Simpsons:

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad.
Homer: Why thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
 
Orion said:
Oh yeah... the whole keeping people safe thing. Kind of reminds me of a quote from the Simpsons:

Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad.
Homer: Why thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Hmm. How does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Hmm... Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
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:lol:

Perfect.
 
Orion said:
Last time I checked we all have free speech, whether we vote or not. How about if YOU don't like it, you unsubscribe from this thread? Last time I checked you aren't a moderator.

Now **** off.
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If you don't like some of the things that go on in your county, state or country and want to do something about it?

If all of the people (like Harry Guerilla) who love to bitch and moan about the government would actually go and vote, then we might see some governmental enthusiasm in what the people want.
 
ric27 said:
If you don't like some of the things that go on in your county, state or country and want to do something about it?

If all of the people (like Harry Guerilla) who love to bitch and moan about the government would actually go and vote, then we might see some governmental enthusiasm in what the people want.
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Who could I possibly vote for, that has a chance of getting elected and will represent anything I believe?
Not a soul, voting serves me no purpose.

The lesser of two evils, is still choosing evil.
 
ric27 said:
If you don't like some of the things that go on in your county, state or country and want to do something about it?

If all of the people (like Harry Guerilla) who love to bitch and moan about the government would actually go and vote, then we might see some governmental enthusiasm in what the people want.
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Unless, of course, like the great Lewis Black once said, it's a choice between two bowls of ****, the only difference being the smell. :lol:
 
ric27 said:
If you don't like some of the things that go on in your county, state or country and want to do something about it?

If all of the people (like Harry Guerilla) who love to bitch and moan about the government would actually go and vote, then we might see some governmental enthusiasm in what the people want.
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Democracy doesn't work if no one running represents my views.

Democracy doesn't work when corporations can buy all levels of government.

If casting a vote did a damn thing, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in: an economy in shambles with jobs and the rights of our people being sold to the highest bidder, and foreign powers; corrupt, crony capitalism where people's rights are stomped on in the name of obscene profits; a population whose health has never been worse than it is now; and unsustainable, unjust wars that are killing good men and women for nothing.

It's people who educate, protest, and spread knowledge that change societies. The government just wants to expand its own powers at this point, at the expense of your rights. It doesn't matter which party is in power. You are just product to them. You turn their wheels. Then they divide you righteously so that you fight among yourselves over which party is the best.

They've got you figured out and the brilliant thing is you think you still have full democratic power over them.
 
I don't bother voting because the vast majority of elections in the United States are conducted on electronic voting machines with no paper trail or audit function and are vulnerable to remote automated attack.

In other words, I don't bother voting because we don't have elections in which to vote.
 
texmaster said:
TORONTO —

Personally I love this new law because it doesn't allow these kids of whom many are there to cause trouble (my evidence is every other world bank meeting) and this allows the police to get the more violent little bastards off the street faster to ensure a peaceful protest.

I'm really at a loss why anyone would object to showing ID to a police officer who requests it. You should always have some form of ID on you. And yes that includes when you are running, biking, walking whatever.

'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit
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Obama should refuse to go or send US representatives and the rest of the USA should boycott Canada. I am certain Obama will be sending the democrats out en masse to protest this horrible unconstitutional violation of individuals rights...
 
VanceMack said:
Obama should refuse to go or send US representatives and the rest of the USA should boycott Canada. I am certain Obama will be sending the democrats out en masse to protest this horrible unconstitutional violation of individuals rights...
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Right, as if capitalists on either side of the isle have, as a group, ever given a flying **** about the human rights record of their trading partners. :lol:
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Everyone screams out against random or mandatory carding and checking. . . until a person who wasn't carded or questioned gets away with **** like setting their underpants on fire in an effort to blow up and airplane . . . then everyone screams "Why isn't the system efficient enough to catch everyone before they do something bad!"
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Not comparable in the slightest, one enters into a voluntary contract to board a plane, if one of the stipulations of that contract is that you must provide evidence of your identity and/or submit to a search before you board the plane then you have a choice, you can either provide the I.D. and submit to said search and board the plane or you can turn around and go home, that's completely different than making it legal for a man with a gun to walk up to you on the street, then demand to know your name, address, social security number etc, and who if you refuse to comply blasts you in the face with pepper spray, ties your hands behind your back, throws you into the back of his car, drives you to a building, and throws you into a cage.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Right, as if capitalists on either side of the isle have, as a group, ever given a flying **** about the human rights record of their trading partners. :lol:
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They aren't capitalists they're state capitalists IE socialists, fascists, corporatists, or any other "ist" which you can think of which only is a ruse of sub-groups for the overarching group of collectivists.
 
Isn't it weird how conservatives tend to completely flip their views on personal liberties when it comes to law enforcement issues?

Seriously, we have people supporting a secret law.
 
Deuce said:
Isn't it weird how conservatives tend to completely flip their views on personal liberties when it comes to law enforcement issues?

Seriously, we have people supporting a secret law.
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Yep. The police and state authority always seem to get a free pass with them, yet they complain about liberals who want to regulate their personal lives.

Maybe if people on both sides could withhold their desire to control others we wouldn't have a government that is constantly vying for more control of everyone.
 
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