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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Check again, chief.
    K upon checking it was Orion who said that, you said this:

    "Isn't it weird how conservatives tend to completely flip their views on personal liberties when it comes to law enforcement issues?"

    My reply works equally well as a response to this.

    So you think taxes are theft
    By any definition of the word, yes.

    and failing to pay them is a "victimless crime."
    Yes.

    Ok then. What about the rest of the taxpayers who have to build your roads and schools for you?
    They are victims of theft by the state, I never entered into any contractual agreement with anyone granting them the right to use the capital generated through my labour to produce any road or school nor have I agreed to make use of any such road or school.

    You want other people to pay for things that you use, redistribute their wealth to you? Man, I thought that was supposed to be a liberal thing!
    No that would be a statist thing, I understand that you support government tyranny I on the other hand support individual liberty and the right of self ownership.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    When we granted the "power freak" the power to serve and protect the community.
    Except it wasn't strictly 'police' there were some private security in there as well... many of them have turned into 'power freaks'... many cops now are juiced up on steroids as well...
    Police Juice Up on Steroids to Get 'Edge' on Criminals - ABC News

    Who said it would be random? Do you really think they just picked that 32 year old guy out of the blue and not because of something he was doing or behaving?
    Even 'randomly'... we're talking about a law where just being outside... and not showing your 'papers' to the "police" is an arrestable offense. (I put police in quotes because a cop that is violating his oath in such a way is no longer a police officer, he is a paid thug.)

    I'm sorry but we train the police to be observant and when they excercise that ability we scream privacy rights even while we are in public?
    Naturally, that 32 yr old had a little bit of an arsenal. Though I'm not entirely sure how it works in ontario, but you have to have permits to be transporting weapons, so if the guy had the appropriate permits, and was within a 'course' of the two points... those charges should be dropped.

    That's a case where it goes 'right'... but how many times does it have to go 'wrong' and arrest innocent people to make that 'right' worth while??

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No but if it's your community, you have a say in what goes on.
    If this was not being done prior to the G20 event, it shouldn't be done during the G20.

    I know I personally would rather not be hassled, than to have the 1 time novelty of some foreign leaders visiting my area.
    I think it's an excellent example of what government is willing to do to it's citizens.
    That's a paranoid conspiracy theory Harry. The G20 leaders are OUR MASTERS... OUR GODS. They will spend as much as they want and send the bill to the taxpayers. It's our duty to feed them when they chose a city to feast in, and the cops need to bring in a few anarchists everytime just to incite the crowd into enough violence to justify the hardcore extent of security that went on...

    The people inside are SO MUCH BETTER then everyone that nobody can get within 5km of them without being harassed... that's the 'new freedom' we have in north america. That's probably what my former sociology prof would have said was the meaning of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is what underscores the problem with the new arizona law, where policing officials are directed to verify by ID the status of those they suspect to be illegal aliens. it indirectly imposes a burden of carrying ID which should not be allowed to exist

    the laws in both countries are counter to the interests of the citizens within them
    That's NOT what the law says though... the law says that if you are caught doing something illegal and you can't produce any identification, then you could be brought to ICE to verify that you are actually a US citizen, and deported if you are not... and if you are then you still have charges to face ANYWAY.

    If cops start profiling because of that law, it's on their heads, they are going above and beyond the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This law was posted by the Ontario cabinet on the internet one month before it was voted on, but it received ZERO press coverage. The fact that there was a media blackout is obvious to everyone and it's big talk in Canada right now. Why was our press silent and how was their silence achieved?

    There was a woman walking in downtown Toronto a few days ago before the summit started and she entered the "security zone". The police demanded to search her bag and look at her ID. She said no because there was no probable cause. They arrested her immediately. She is now taking the case to the Supreme Court.

    The Ontario law actually violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (our equivalent to a federal constitution), but because this event is only for three days the infringement of rights will not be stopped in time. What is happening in Toronto right now should concern everyone, including Americans. Wherever the G8/G20 goes, local rights are suspended. The fact that Toronto has a security zone right now where you cannot walk without risk of being detained, searched, and questioned, shows that our governments are becoming more and more audacious with their expansion of powers.

    I believe in peaceful protests but I'm starting to feel like there is no point anymore. The whole ideal behind democracy is that when the common people protest the government is forced to listen; but it seems like no matter what the majority wants these days, the government will simply choose to ignore us.

    I mean, this $2 billion in "security" was authorized by who? I don't recall parliament holding a vote on it. I don't recall being able to call up my MP and let them know that I do not give my government permission to use tax payer dollars for hosting this banquet for world leaders. My voice was effectively censored by a complete bypass of democracy. The G20 is about private interests, so why don't private interests shoulder the costs?

    And it's not just the current conservative rule that does this. We have held other summits in the past under the liberals and the same attitude prevails. Democracy in Canada is being eroded by crony capitalism and neo-liberal globalist policies. This is a bipartisan concern and we should all be paying attention.

    The G20 meeting is where people like the Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations get to give their unauthorized, non-democratic input into world policy that overrides our sovereign nation.

    The fact that they are holding this meeting in the core of Canada's biggest city and charging us for it is a testament to their complete and utter audacity.
    Another conspiracy theory that is 100% accurate.

    The lesson is now much more overt... all the costs are 'socialized' while the profits remain 'privatized'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nah, I'd like to be represented for once.
    I think the only way that can happen is by getting elected or donate an illegal amount of money and not get caught.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Last time I checked we all have free speech, whether we vote or not. How about if YOU don't like it, you unsubscribe from this thread? Last time I checked you aren't a moderator.

    Now **** off.
    You should check again... does it still say you have 'free speech'... or does it say 'you have free speech so long as you agree with us.'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The violent protestors are from two main groups


    Young Torontonians wanting to get in the fun

    Professional protestors whose goal was to become violent and attract young torontonians

    The RCMP occasionally throw in a couple of undercover police to start the violence as well
    Hate to break it to you,

    Notice a few things in the video :
    a) The protest group
    b) The 'anarchists'
    c) who is carrying the weapon?
    d) who runs to the police lines?
    e) Who is wearing POLICE issue boots, with the same yellow dot even as the arresting officer?

    Now, I couldn't find the other article that came out in response where an RCMP official came out and said that infiltrating protest groups was 'standard practise world-wide'... and it's true, everytime it's the anarchist groups that are chosen to be infiltrated...

    There are real anarchists in there as well that help in inciting violence, but they are mostly 17-20 yr old acid heads that don't understand that 'anarchy' most likely turns to 'road warrior' type situations.... where it's humongo that makes the rules. They aren't the same as these cops that get called out all the time now... the cops are 6ft beefy characters, that carry themselves like you would expect of someone in the millitary. The worst about it is when they get called out they get scared... like they really believe that most protestors want to get violent and would kill cops... burning the cop car, maybe, but very few people are interested in killing much of anyone...

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, you see we were actually upset about what Bush/Cheney were doing with personal liberties and we're also upset about Obama's continuation of that disturbing trend. Did you fall asleep for the past year and a half, missing all of the liberal outrage?
    Personal liberties which you agree with, but what you don't agree with is actual liberty IE the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle, you support any abuse by the state authority so long as it fits your collectivist agenda. Don't insult my intelligence and pretend that the modern left gives a damn about individual liberty, they not only do not care but they are directly opposed to it.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Hate to break it to you,

    Notice a few things in the video :
    a) The protest group
    b) The 'anarchists'
    c) who is carrying the weapon?
    d) who runs to the police lines?
    e) Who is wearing POLICE issue boots, with the same yellow dot even as the arresting officer?

    Now, I couldn't find the other article that came out in response where an RCMP official came out and said that infiltrating protest groups was 'standard practise world-wide'... and it's true, everytime it's the anarchist groups that are chosen to be infiltrated...

    There are real anarchists in there as well that help in inciting violence, but they are mostly 17-20 yr old acid heads that don't understand that 'anarchy' most likely turns to 'road warrior' type situations.... where it's humongo that makes the rules. They aren't the same as these cops that get called out all the time now... the cops are 6ft beefy characters, that carry themselves like you would expect of someone in the millitary. The worst about it is when they get called out they get scared... like they really believe that most protestors want to get violent and would kill cops... burning the cop car, maybe, but very few people are interested in killing much of anyone...
    You didnt break anything to me, I know that many violent "protestors" have been RCMP members in the past. But I have not seen any video from the G8/G20 summits so I cant dont know if they were in this case RCMP members causing the damage.

    The reason I am saying that some will have been actual protestors is that I have met at least a couple people in the past who would have been violent at such meetings. They had gas masks, bandana's to cover their faces with such intent.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Personal liberties which you agree with, but what you don't agree with is actual liberty IE the right of self ownership and the non-aggression principle, you support any abuse by the state authority so long as it fits your collectivist agenda. Don't insult my intelligence and pretend that the modern left gives a damn about individual liberty, they not only do not care but they are directly opposed to it.
    The people that are ACTUALLY supporting a 'communist' style transformation of america should read a few history books on those transitions...
    In the past century there's well over 100 million people that have died because of such transitions in goverment... most often the people the most helped this transition take place and expecting to be rewarded by such a system... well, their governments in the past 100 years or so had taken the policy of lining these individuals up against walls and shooting them as their reward.

    I know they won't believe me, but it's right there... Mao's 60million, Pol Pots 40 million, Stalins 20-30 million (I actually forget the real number). Especially if you can find out what the people that 'got out' have to say about those regimes.

    The only way that communism is attractive is if you have some hippie drugged out view of the world that everyone can get along. Instead what happens is that the state takes over everything and just doles out a pittance.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    You didnt break anything to me, I know that many violent "protestors" have been RCMP members in the past. But I have not seen any video from the G8/G20 summits so I cant dont know if they were in this case RCMP members causing the damage.

    The reason I am saying that some will have been actual protestors is that I have met at least a couple people in the past who would have been violent at such meetings. They had gas masks, bandana's to cover their faces with such intent.
    Lol...I forgot to change that... wrong choice of words is all.

    Ya, for this current summit I haven't seen the videos all, but I'd be willing to make a bet that if it wasn't police directly involved in starting the violence, they were among the 'anarchist groups' where they pushed the kids into inciting the violence. Though, I have seen a clip where a guy in black tosses a paper box (I think) through a window and the cop steps towards him but noone even chases the kid. We'll see once all the video comes in.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Do we just assume police are always up to no good and will randomly question people for no reason?
    The Government thug should have a reason why he wants my ID not just because the pussy has a gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Isn't it weird how conservatives tend to completely flip their views on personal liberties when it comes to law enforcement issues?

    Seriously, we have people supporting a secret law.
    Liberals arent much better in this regard but for the post at hand is because most conservatives believe the Government thugs can do no wrong. When in reality they are just as much human garbage as the run of the mill gangbanger with the only difference being that the Government thugs have unlimited funding.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

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    Liberals arent much better in this regard but for the post at hand is because most conservatives believe the Government thugs can do no wrong. When in reality they are just as much human garbage as the run of the mill gangbanger with the only difference being that the Government thugs have unlimited funding.
    And a state backed monopoly on the use of force.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The Government thug should have a reason why he wants my ID not just because the pussy has a gun.



    Liberals arent much better in this regard but for the post at hand is because most conservatives believe the Government thugs can do no wrong. When in reality they are just as much human garbage as the run of the mill gangbanger with the only difference being that the Government thugs have unlimited funding.

    Liberals like government thugs to give people carrots

    Conservatives like government thugs to give people sticks (or more specifically a whack accross the face with one)
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