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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya unlike liberals who are adamantly opposed to the ATF and IRS CID who by their very existence violate the rights of every single citizen every single day.
    Hahahah see this is what we're talking about. If they're after your money or your guns, you guys flip the hell out. Erosion of your Miranda rights, privacy, wiretaps-sans-warrant, being arrested for not having an ID, government deciding it can declare you Not-A-Citizen, etc? Well, that's fine, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!

    How are ATF and IRS violating your rights by merely existing, anyway? You don't think the law should be enforced?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right, as if capitalists on either side of the isle have, as a group, ever given a flying **** about the human rights record of their trading partners.
    As if democrats have ever done more than PRETEND to give a ****...and most liberals ONLY give a **** if it is a republican 'violating' their rights. Thanks BTW for embodying the hypocrisy.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Isn't it weird how conservatives tend to completely flip their views on personal liberties when it comes to law enforcement issues?

    Seriously, we have people supporting a secret law.
    I cant help but point out the obvious hypocrisy...it was LIBERALS who feigned outrage when it was Bush/Cheney in the White House. Where now is the outrage?

    And just look at the actions already seen by those asshole protestors in Canada and it isnt hard to see why they feel the need to enact those laws to control their behaviors. Personally I think a rubber bullet coming out of the gun of a riot policeman is a waste of primer and powder.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Well, this is supremely disappointing. Toronto is one of the best cities I've ever visited as it's so booming with life and culture. Politically people are far more liberal minded and there isn't as much butting of heads as there is politically in the States. Many fear this is a dangerous precedent for Canada, but I honestly don't see stuff like this ever going beyond this level. I think this will be an isolated incident. The people of Canada are far more outspoken about politics when they feel things get out of hand and generally issues like this aren't as evenly split in the classic Liberal vs. Conservative way as it is down here.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I cant help but point out the obvious hypocrisy...it was LIBERALS who feigned outrage when it was Bush/Cheney in the White House. Where now is the outrage?

    And just look at the actions already seen by those asshole protestors in Canada and it isnt hard to see why they feel the need to enact those laws to control their behaviors. Personally I think a rubber bullet coming out of the gun of a riot policeman is a waste of primer and powder.
    No, you see we were actually upset about what Bush/Cheney were doing with personal liberties and we're also upset about Obama's continuation of that disturbing trend. Did you fall asleep for the past year and a half, missing all of the liberal outrage?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hahahah see this is what we're talking about. If they're after your money or your guns, you guys flip the hell out. Erosion of your Miranda rights,
    EG?

    privacy,
    EG?

    wiretaps-sans-warrant,
    Wiretaps of non-citizens outside of the country suspected of international terrorism.

    being arrested for not having an ID,
    Not in the U.S..

    government deciding it can declare you Not-A-Citizen, etc?
    WTF are you talking about?

    Well, that's fine, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about!
    A) I have been an outspoken critic of this law since this thread started.


    B) You said and I quote:

    "Yep. The police and state authority always seem to get a free pass with them, yet they complain about liberals who want to regulate their personal lives."

    Yet you have absolutely no problem with the police and state authorities of the ATF and IRS CID.

    How are ATF and IRS violating your rights by merely existing, anyway?
    Because their entire raison d'etre is theft and the enforcement of victimless crimes.

    You don't think the law should be enforced?
    Not when the law infringes upon my right of self ownership. Owning a gun should never be a crime, committing a crime with a gun should be a crime. Let's say I own 10 sawed off shotguns but have not used them to infringe upon the rights of others then where is the crime? Who is the victim of that crime?

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    B) You said and I quote:

    "Yep. The police and state authority always seem to get a free pass with them, yet they complain about liberals who want to regulate their personal lives."
    Check again, chief.

    Yet you have absolutely no problem with the police and state authorities of the ATF and IRS CID.
    Because their entire raison d'etre is theft and the enforcement of victimless crimes.

    Not when the law infringes upon my right of self ownership. Owning a gun should never be a crime, committing a crime with a gun should be a crime. Let's say I own 10 sawed off shotguns but have not used them to infringe upon the rights of others then where is the crime? Who is the victim of that crime?
    So you think taxes are theft and failing to pay them is a "victimless crime." Ok then. What about the rest of the taxpayers who have to build your roads and schools for you? You want other people to pay for things that you use, redistribute their wealth to you? Man, I thought that was supposed to be a liberal thing!
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Well, this is supremely disappointing. Toronto is one of the best cities I've ever visited as it's so booming with life and culture. Politically people are far more liberal minded and there isn't as much butting of heads as there is politically in the States. Many fear this is a dangerous precedent for Canada, but I honestly don't see stuff like this ever going beyond this level. I think this will be an isolated incident. The people of Canada are far more outspoken about politics when they feel things get out of hand and generally issues like this aren't as evenly split in the classic Liberal vs. Conservative way as it is down here.
    The violent protestors are from two main groups


    Young Torontonians wanting to get in the fun

    Professional protestors whose goal was to become violent and attract young torontonians

    The RCMP occasionally throw in a couple of undercover police to start the violence as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, you see we were actually upset about what Bush/Cheney were doing with personal liberties and we're also upset about Obama's continuation of that disturbing trend. Did you fall asleep for the past year and a half, missing all of the liberal outrage?
    Oh no...we are literally TRIPPING over the outrage...its freakin EVERYWHERE...

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post





    Oh no...we are literally TRIPPING over the outrage...its freakin EVERYWHERE...
    You seem to have this problem in your brain where you extrapolate everything that anyone says to pretty absurd extents.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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