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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is what underscores the problem with the new arizona law, where policing officials are directed to verify by ID the status of those they suspect to be illegal aliens. it indirectly imposes a burden of carrying ID which should not be allowed to exist


    the laws in both countries are counter to the interests of the citizens within them
    The part you so conveniently left out was the small part where the subject has to have committed, or be suspected of committing a crime before that suspicion of being illegally here could be acted upon.

    What you also leave out is the lawful requirement of carrying ID if you are in the US and not a citizen.

    In other words, the two laws are not comparable in any way.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Everyone screams out against random or mandatory carding and checking. . . until a person who wasn't carded or questioned gets away with **** like setting their underpants on fire in an effort to blow up and airplane . . . then everyone screams "Why isn't the system efficient enough to catch everyone before they do something bad!"

    0_o!

    So if measures for safety and security aren't in place - then people aren't safe and secure.

    It's really quite simple as to how and why things are done the way they are done - and how and why they do and don't work right.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    This law was posted by the Ontario cabinet on the internet one month before it was voted on, but it received ZERO press coverage. The fact that there was a media blackout is obvious to everyone and it's big talk in Canada right now. Why was our press silent and how was their silence achieved?

    There was a woman walking in downtown Toronto a few days ago before the summit started and she entered the "security zone". The police demanded to search her bag and look at her ID. She said no because there was no probable cause. They arrested her immediately. She is now taking the case to the Supreme Court.

    The Ontario law actually violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (our equivalent to a federal constitution), but because this event is only for three days the infringement of rights will not be stopped in time. What is happening in Toronto right now should concern everyone, including Americans. Wherever the G8/G20 goes, local rights are suspended. The fact that Toronto has a security zone right now where you cannot walk without risk of being detained, searched, and questioned, shows that our governments are becoming more and more audacious with their expansion of powers.

    I believe in peaceful protests but I'm starting to feel like there is no point anymore. The whole ideal behind democracy is that when the common people protest the government is forced to listen; but it seems like no matter what the majority wants these days, the government will simply choose to ignore us.

    I mean, this $2 billion in "security" was authorized by who? I don't recall parliament holding a vote on it. I don't recall being able to call up my MP and let them know that I do not give my government permission to use tax payer dollars for hosting this banquet for world leaders. My voice was effectively censored by a complete bypass of democracy. The G20 is about private interests, so why don't private interests shoulder the costs?

    And it's not just the current conservative rule that does this. We have held other summits in the past under the liberals and the same attitude prevails. Democracy in Canada is being eroded by crony capitalism and neo-liberal globalist policies. This is a bipartisan concern and we should all be paying attention.

    The G20 meeting is where people like the Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations get to give their unauthorized, non-democratic input into world policy that overrides our sovereign nation.

    The fact that they are holding this meeting in the core of Canada's biggest city and charging us for it is a testament to their complete and utter audacity.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    This law was posted by the Ontario cabinet on the internet one month before it was voted on, but it received ZERO press coverage. The fact that there was a media blackout is obvious to everyone and it's big talk in Canada right now. Why was our press silent and how was their silence achieved?

    There was a woman walking in downtown Toronto a few days ago before the summit started and she entered the "security zone". The police demanded to search her bag and look at her ID. She said no because there was no probable cause. They arrested her immediately. She is now taking the case to the Supreme Court.

    The Ontario law actually violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (our equivalent to a federal constitution), but because this event is only for three days the infringement of rights will not be stopped in time. What is happening in Toronto right now should concern everyone, including Americans. Wherever the G8/G20 goes, local rights are suspended. The fact that Toronto has a security zone right now where you cannot walk without risk of being detained, searched, and questioned, shows that our governments are becoming more and more audacious with their expansion of powers.

    I believe in peaceful protests but I'm starting to feel like there is no point anymore. The whole ideal behind democracy is that when the common people protest the government is forced to listen; but it seems like no matter what the majority wants these days, the government will simply choose to ignore us.

    I mean, this $2 billion in "security" was authorized by who? I don't recall parliament holding a vote on it. I don't recall being able to call up my MP and let them know that I do not give my government permission to use tax payer dollars for hosting this banquet for world leaders. My voice was effectively censored by a complete bypass of democracy. The G20 is about private interests, so why don't private interests shoulder the costs?

    And it's not just the current conservative rule that does this. We have held other summits in the past under the liberals and the same attitude prevails. Democracy in Canada is being eroded by crony capitalism and neo-liberal globalist policies. This is a bipartisan concern and we should all be paying attention.

    The G20 meeting is where people like the Bilderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations get to give their unauthorized, non-democratic input into world policy that overrides our sovereign nation.

    The fact that they are holding this meeting in the core of Canada's biggest city and charging us for it is a testament to their complete and utter audacity.
    The conservative/liberal stuff is mostly a dog and pony show for morons.
    Both sets of these assholes are consistent about no giving two ****s about anyone else when it comes to their power and security.

    That is why I'm a non affiliated libertarian, I don't buy the bull****.

    Good post by the way.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The conservative/liberal stuff is mostly a dog and pony show for morons.
    Both sets of these assholes are consistent about no giving two ****s about anyone else when it comes to their power and security.

    That is why I'm a non affiliated libertarian, I don't buy the bull****.

    Good post by the way.
    Did you vote in this last election?

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Did you vote in this last election?
    Nope.
    It's not worth it.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Nope.
    It's not worth it.
    You vote, you get to voice an opinion...you don't vote **** off!

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You vote, you get to voice an opinion...you don't vote **** off!
    An unfortunate and untrue belief, I get an opinion no matter what.
    As far as election choices go, I'm up against the mob.
    Essentially a group of ignorant, whiny thieves.

    My voice in government would not exist, whether or not I vote.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    An unfortunate and untrue belief, I get an opinion no matter what.
    As far as election choices go, I'm up against the mob.
    Essentially a group of ignorant, whiny thieves.

    My voice in government would not exist, whether or not I vote.
    It sounds to me as if you want to have your cake and eat it too.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    It sounds to me as if you want to have your cake and eat it too.
    Nah, I'd like to be represented for once.
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