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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'm really at a loss why anyone would object to showing ID to a police officer who requests it. You should always have some form of ID on you. And yes that includes when you are running, biking, walking whatever.
    Why? What gives the state the right to demand identification if one is not committing a crime?
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Why? What gives the state the right to demand identification if one is not committing a crime?
    It helps them keep others safe. Why is it such a big deal for you to be able to identify yourself when asked?

    Do we just assume police are always up to no good and will randomly question people for no reason?
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    It helps them keep others safe. Why is it such a big deal for you to be able to identify yourself when asked?

    Do we just assume police are always up to no good and will randomly question people for no reason?
    The closer you get to the security zone, the more likely it is to happen.

    It's not right especially when you may live in that area, no one asked before hand if it was ok.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But not only you. Why are you do against having idenitification on you?



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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    It helps them keep others safe.
    So would doing random house searches in high crime areas without probable cause or a warrant.

    Why is it such a big deal for you to be able to identify yourself when asked?
    Because it's a violation of my privacy rights. Do I have the right to go up to you and demand that you hand over your home address, full legal name, social security number, etc etc et al? Why does this suddenly become acceptable behavior because it is done by a power freak with a badge and a gun?

    Do we just assume police are always up to no good and will randomly question people for no reason?
    We don't have to assume that because they do not have the right to go up and randomly question people for no reason but apparently in Canada they do now have that right. And yes I would assume that if cops had the right to do random stop and search and ID checks they would utilize it any time they wanted.

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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The closer you get to the security zone, the more likely it is to happen.

    It's not right especially when you may live in that area, no one asked before hand if it was ok.
    So every law should be polled?
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So would doing random house searches in high crime areas without probable cause or a warrant.
    We aren't talking about private property. We are talking about people in public.

    Because it's a violation of my privacy rights.
    How?

    Do I have the right to go up to you and demand that you hand over your home address, full legal name, social security number, etc etc et al? Why does this suddenly become acceptable behavior because it is done by a power freak with a badge and a gun?
    When we granted the "power freak" the power to serve and protect the community.

    We don't have to assume that because they do not have the right to go up and randomly question people for no reason but apparently in Canada they do now have that right. And yes I would assume that if cops had the right to do random stop and search and ID checks they would utilize it any time they wanted.
    Who said it would be random? Do you really think they just picked that 32 year old guy out of the blue and not because of something he was doing or behaving?

    I'm sorry but we train the police to be observant and when they excercise that ability we scream privacy rights even while we are in public?
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So every law should be polled?
    No but if it's your community, you have a say in what goes on.
    If this was not being done prior to the G20 event, it shouldn't be done during the G20.

    I know I personally would rather not be hassled, than to have the 1 time novelty of some foreign leaders visiting my area.
    I think it's an excellent example of what government is willing to do to it's citizens.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    We aren't talking about private property. We are talking about people in public.
    My body is private property. I as an individual owe no good or service to anyone, if I voluntarily offer my ID upon request that's one thing, but what gives the state the authority to a) demand that I use the capital created through my labour to purchase their ID, b) request that ID anytime they want for no reason whatsoever, and c) imprison me for non-compliance?


    How?
    What do you mean how? Are you suggesting that your rights wouldn't be violated if I walked up to you on on the street with a gun, demanded that you tell me your full name, address, social security number, etc, and if you refused pulled the gun, put it to your head, put you in handcuffs, threw you in the back of my car, and brought you to a warehouse and through you in a cage at gun point? Not only would I not have that right but you would have the right to defend yourself with lethal force. But I guess the rules that apply to every other individual within society don't apply to the enforcers of the state.

    When we granted the "power freak" the power to serve and protect the community.
    I never entered into any voluntary contract with anyone which granted them that power. In fact not even the involuntary and illegitimate social contract which I was born into grants them that authority.

    Who said it would be random? Do you really think they just picked that 32 year old guy out of the blue and not because of something he was doing or behaving?

    I'm sorry but we train the police to be observant and when they excercise that ability we scream privacy rights even while we are in public?
    So what you're saying is that giving someone a badge and a gun makes them above the law. Cool deal.
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    Re: 'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    TORONTO — The Ontario government secretly passed legislation giving police sweeping new powers for the duration of the G8 and G20 summits.

    Police are now able to jail anyone who refuses to furnish identification and submit to a search while within five metres of a designated security zone in downtown Toronto.

    Critics reacted furiously to the new rules, which remained unpublicized until Thursday when a 32 year-old man was arrested in Toronto for refusing to show ID to police.

    New Democrat MPP Peter Kormos said Friday the provincial Liberals created a “Kafka-esque” situation where people could be arrested for violating rules they didn’t know existed.

    “This is very very repugnant stuff and should be troubling to everybody,” he said.

    The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said it was “extremely concerned” that the new measures violate constitutional safeguards.

    Nathalie Des Rosiers, general counsel for the CCLA said the changes are contrary to Canadian law.

    “You don’t have any obligation to speak to Canadian police, to give your name or the reasons for your existence unless you’ve done something wrong — unless you’re being detained or arrested,” she said. “So on its face, it’s a dramatic change from what our constitution guarantees.”




    Personally I love this new law because it doesn't allow these kids of whom many are there to cause trouble (my evidence is every other world bank meeting) and this allows the police to get the more violent little bastards off the street faster to ensure a peaceful protest.
    I'm really at a loss why anyone would object to showing ID to a police officer who requests it. You should always have some form of ID on you. And yes that includes when you are running, biking, walking whatever.

    'Secret' law lets police arrest for failing to show ID near summit
    this is what underscores the problem with the new arizona law, where policing officials are directed to verify by ID the status of those they suspect to be illegal aliens. it indirectly imposes a burden of carrying ID which should not be allowed to exist


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