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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, they did not. He set the rules of engagement in Afghanistan. I even linked to a document which gave you the information. You might read it, and explain where you disagree, and with what reasons. Right now you sound as if you are just disagreeing so you can bitch about "the left".
    You miss the point this started under Bush in Iraq.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You miss the point this started under Bush in Iraq.
    Except it did not. McCrystal designed the rules of engagement in Afghanistan.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except it did not. McCrystal designed the rules of engagement in Afghanistan.
    You can prove that McCrystal organized the ATO, without any say-so from Obama? It was McCrystal's idea to only send 30,000 troops? Oh, wait, didn't Mac ask for twice that number and Obama determined that he didn't need them?

    How many times have you ever seen Obama not micro-manage everything? Please, be honest.

    No, the reality is, that if Obama hadn't been impeding McCrystal from the git-go, McCrystal wouldn't have done what he did.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can prove that McCrystal organized the ATO, without any say-so from Obama? It was McCrystal's idea to only send 30,000 troops? Oh, wait, didn't Mac ask for twice that number and Obama determined that he didn't need them?
    Don has documented this. Total troops sent 39 k of 40 k requested, 30k of ours, and 9k from allies.

    How many times have you ever seen Obama not micro-manage everything? Please, be honest.

    No, the reality is, that if Obama hadn't been impeding McCrystal from the git-go, McCrystal wouldn't have done what he did.
    You will find exactly zero evidence that you can document that Obama impeded McCrystal in any way from any credible sources. He gave McCrystal the troops and the authority to design the strategy.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Don has documented this. Total troops sent 39 k of 40 k requested, 30k of ours, and 9k from allies.



    You will find exactly zero evidence that you can document that Obama impeded McCrystal in any way from any credible sources. He gave McCrystal the troops and the authority to design the strategy.
    I see. Then, how do you explain McCrystal's actions? It wasn't because Obama was playing ball with McChrystal. Or, are you accusing McChrystal of being a mad-man, or something? He is a treehuggin', Fox News hatin', Libbo, so that's not a stretch.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except it did not. McCrystal designed the rules of engagement in Afghanistan.
    Based on what? ROE are military wide McCrystal fine tuned them and took them to another level to appease the Afghans

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Don has documented this. Total troops sent 39 k of 40 k requested, 30k of ours, and 9k from allies.
    Of those 9k troops from allies, how many were combat troops in combat operations conducting COIN?

    In other words, were they the right kind of troops?
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    mcchrystal was trying to win the hearts and minds of the afghans. the troops were following that strategy.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    perhaps mcchrystal got overconfident

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    perhaps he wanted out because he sees his strategy is not working.

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