A screaming comes across the sky.
It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow
Oh clearly. That's why he's obviously still in command, huh? Because he supported the White House and their ideas of what to do in this war? I guess his problems stopped at the ROEs, huh? Troops have been killed over these ROEs. Or is this something else about my profession you know better?Clearly he didn't, so he did support the ROEs.
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"Rules of engagement are most often decided upon by commanders and are created to carry out and fall in line with over-arching orders or goals from higher command."
Rules of engagement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keeping away from the poppy fields because the cotton production programs have yet to grow to subplant the drug economy in Afghanistan is a higher government level concern.
Using less drones to accomodate the international complaint of civilian deaths is a higher government level concern.
Refusing to fly air support over a village becuase of the international complaint of civilian deaths is a higher governmnet level concern.
Getting drone visual proof of engagement before accepting a radio transmission of contact by a radioman in the field is because of the international complaint of civilian deaths...and is a higher level government concern.
All of these things and more creep into our ROEs and they are not because of the commander in the field. These are political issues that address "concerns" that our allies have. In the end, it goes back to image and protecting our illusion of it. And no matter what, they come from the White House. The current ROEs go too far to protect image and are hidden under the disguise of winning hearts and minds.
You just don't give up do you? Even with General McChrystal stating in his own words under oath that he created the ROE, you still have to blame Obama on it. Did you read this article?:
McChrystal “didn’t get the rules of engagement” or troops he wanted? « The Liberty Tree
But wait, that’s not all, McChrystal also agreed with a U.S. senator’s statement that he was not “directed” to implement rules of engagement. During a 9 Dec 09, Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, GEN McChrystal was asked by Senator Jack Reed (D-RI), “General McChrystal, the rules of engagement within Afghanistan emphasize minimizing civilian casualties. That was a point you made when you took over, and Admiral Mullen made the same point yesterday at Camp Lejeune.
“That is based, I think — and let — I don’t want to be presumptuous, but my understanding is based on your experience, your understanding of counterinsurgency warfare, the experience of the — the Soviets before us that it’s not — that you are not directed to do that by anyone, is that correct?”
And, oh snap, guess what the General answered? “That — that is correct, Senator. I did, before I deployed out, watch the situation going on. So I had formed opinions but got no specific direction."
The important part of the statement is, “So I had formed opinions but got no specific direction.” He was given no “specific direction” regarding the rules of engagement (ROE) in Afghanistan. HE WAS GIVEN NO “SPECIFIC DIRECTION” REGARDING THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IN AFGHANISTAN! So Rush, who has
never spent a single day in uniform, needs to remember that when he – or his ditto-heads – try to blame the ROE on President Obama.
Furthermore, Michael Hastings’ 22 June profile of McChrystal in Rolling Stone (the profile that consequently lead to the general’s professional demise), reported that McChrystal advocated “a controversial military strategy known as counterinsurgency” in Afghanistan and that “[i]n the end … McChrystal got almost exactly what he wanted.” Hastings also reported that McChrystal defended the rules of engagement during a question-and-answer session with soldiers, stating in part, “What I’m telling you is, fire costs you. What do you want to do? You want to wipe the population out here and resettle it?” Of course Rush very conveniently avoided any sections of the profile where decisions such as these were made by the general. Instead wanting to blame the President for any and all military decisions made in theater.
This is not a conventional war, far from it, so Rules of Engagement don't apply. There's no way to pin down the Taliban because they have no set locations, and when they strike, it's hit and run.