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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Closing Burger King shows that this general makes somewhat brash decisions or is wrong, including the ROE that he made. And it also shows that this general has significant autonomy over his mission.

    Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean that it's the same this time. Just because it happened in WWII or Vietnam doesn't mean it happened in Afghanistan.
    Alright, alright. My current Commander-in-Chief is a saint above all else and you have the inside McChrystal scoop.

    Closing a Burger King has nothing to do with government ROE's and all commanders have a measure of autonomy in their commands. This includes the Whopper. ROEs are above a military solo act. If he replaced another commander who was criticized over civilian deaths, then his job came with guidance to stray from civilian deaths. Hence the politicial interjection of the ROEs. What I see is one side seeking to tear down a President because he is Obama and another side seeking to tear down a General because the President is Obama.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

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    No offense, but of course you don't understand it. How could you possibly understand something that you have no experience in? People who've never been in the military (myself included) should stick to what we know instead of trying to second guess the experts.
    My son is in the army, and will be in Afghanistan within months.
    I make it my business to understand as much as possible about every aspect of both the dangers and the living conditions he'll be exposed to there.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

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    My son is in the army, and will be in Afghanistan within months.
    I make it my business to understand as much as possible about every aspect of both the dangers and the living conditions he'll be exposed to there.
    My brother is in the Marines, and he's been to Iraq and Afghanistan, both as a Scout Sniper and an infantry platoon commander. That doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about as it pertains to military matters. Sure, I can attempt to obtain a superficial understanding of the military but unless I actually go through the experience I'll never move past the surface. That's all I'm trying to say.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Closing Burger King shows that this general makes somewhat brash decisions or is wrong, including the ROE that he made.
    Well, to his credit, I don't think it was a "brash" decision.
    I do think it was an unnecessary one, however.
    McCrystal presented it as a supply issue, as if it were a choice between "Burger King or your mail", or "Burger King or ammunition".
    I believe, however, that this is a false dichotomy.
    There are many supplies trucked in to Afghanistan daily that are not crucial to survival.
    If the fast food joints help keep the soldiers' morale up, then I don't see why they shouldn't have them.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

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    Several enlisted folks I've talked to are optimistic about the change.
    Hell, yeah. The Marine Corps is psyched. It was the Patraeus/Mattis/Nasr team that brought Iraq around and it was largely their model McChrystal was applying.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    My brother is in the Marines, and he's been to Iraq and Afghanistan, both as a Scout Sniper and an infantry platoon commander. That doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about as it pertains to military matters. Sure, I can attempt to obtain a superficial understanding of the military but unless I actually go through the experience I'll never move past the surface. That's all I'm trying to say.
    Is your brother your darling son, who means far more to you than your own life, and who just turned 18 years old and is expecting his first child?
    No? Then I seriously doubt you're as committed to knowing every single detail you can possibly find out about your brother's living conditions while he's deployed as I currently am.

    Also, I'm not so sure you'd be capable of learning as much as me, even if you applied yourself with equal effort and commitment.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY SENSE AT ALL. READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN IT'S POSTED HERE: New Rules of Engagement issued to NATO Forces by Gen McChrystal | NowPublic News Coverage
    How in the world does the article contradict the "lone gunman" theory???

    I think I'm done with you. It is you that is suggesting the "lone gunman theory" by suggesting that he alone, without White House political guidance, developed the ROEs. It is you that stated that he alone, issued them to the Canadian government for approval. It has been you that have suggested the he alone is to blame. He issued them as the commander in the field. He did not sit in a dark room allalone and develop ROEs with the White House completely in the dark and without addressed concerns.

    General Stanley McChrystal was appointed to replace General Kearney, amids criticism of too many civilians being killed in Afghanistan.
    From your own damn article, it is clear that his arrival had to deal with the image of civilian deaths as well as win this war. Image is a politician's concern and it made its way from the White House into the ROEs. Patraeus will have the same concerns pressuring him from the White House. But Patraeus will not sacrifice troop security or the turn out of this war to a politician's need for image. He will work around it like he did in Iraq.

    You do not know what you are talking about.
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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Is your brother your darling son, who means far more to you than your own life, and who just turned 18 years old and is expecting his first child?
    No? Then I seriously doubt you're as committed to knowing every single detail you can possibly find out about your brother's living conditions while he's deployed as I currently am.
    I never said you weren't committed, or that I was more committed than you. My point was that no matter how committed you may be, you can never obtain an understanding of the military that is anything but superficial.

    And just out of curiosity, what does your son do in the Army?

    Also, I'm not so sure you'd be capable of learning as much as me, even if you applied yourself with equal effort and commitment.
    I'm very impressed.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    I never said you weren't committed, or that I was more committed than you. My point was that no matter how committed you may be, you can never obtain an understanding of the military that is anything but superficial.

    And just out of curiosity, what does your son do in the Army?



    I'm very impressed.

    It's none of your goddamned business what he does.
    Your "point" was to suggest, apropos of nothing, that because you don't know jack-****, nobody else is going to be able to learn jack-**** either.

    Hopefully, you've now been disabused of this preposterous notion.

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    Re: Petraeus to Modify Afghanistan Rules of Engagement, Source Says

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    It's none of your goddamned business what he does.
    Okay then.

    Your "point" was to suggest, apropos of nothing, that because you don't know jack-****, nobody else is going to be able to learn jack-**** either.
    I never said I don't know "jack-****", or that you wouldn't be able to learn "jack-****". I said non-military members can never obtain an understanding of the military that is anything but superficial.

    My brother and I have spoken at length about military matters, and he's far more experienced than your son, but that doesn't mean I know enough about the military to question or second guess the decisions of a general.

    Hopefully, you've now been disabused of this preposterous notion.
    How can I be disabused of a notion I never held?

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