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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    They're trying to clean up a mess that would likely have killed those same animals if they did NOT clean it up.
    So they're guilty either way of the crime and should pay the price.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't disagree with that. Sometimes what has to be done is not pretty. However all I was asking is, "can this be prevented?" Are there more measures that can be taken that less life be burned alive?
    That I'm not entirely sure of, I think it would be incredibly difficult because herding sea turtles would be more difficult than herding cats.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    One aspect that supports Catz is that the fine is not something BP can delay payments on utilizing its the normal method. BP, like Exxon is going to appeal for decades the true payment on this disaster
    FWIW, Exxon was appealing punitive damages, not actual damages. They paid the full amount of actual damages in a relatively timely fashion. They were correct to appeal the punitive damages, as the lower courts used an improper method to calculate them.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    FWIW, Exxon was appealing punitive damages, not actual damages.
    True, but actual damages will take a while to sort out and can be challenged in court. BP will challenge the assumptions under actual damages for years. Furthermore, damages in the Gulf, especially to the livelihood of those who use the ocean are considerably more complex then the cost to Sound in Exxon's ciase. There's a lot room for BP to wiggle here and hence why I don't see them having a problem actually payng when you consider the time line of how long they have to spread out payments and their corresponding cash flows.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

    I'm sorry about the turtles. I hate knowing that sea life is dying, but at least the life is dying as part of the clean up and not part of the spill. I'm sure if you tallied the total number of animals that have died because of the gush, it would shock everyone.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Sand berms have the potential to make things worse.
    How so??

    Worse than...what??
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How so??

    Worse than...what??
    Briefly:

    Aside from the massive cost, the question of whether or not it would even WORK, if they could even be done in time (oil is already hitting the coasts and the project would take 6 months or more), the potential for erosion in merely a couple of months, and the question of where the hell they're going to get 56 million cubic yards of high quality sand withOUT deepening waterways that would increase hurricane intensity and without destroying entire habitats of bottom dwelling creatures necessary to sustain countless other wildlife.... one must also consider that the sand berms will disrupt the tidal flow necessary to sustain the very wildlife and habitats they are trying to save. Not to mention the possibility that narrowing those tidal channels could cause the oil to shoot further inland than it would if the berms were not built and then possibly trap the oil there. When you restrict the area in which water is flowing, you increase the force of the flow.

    There's just more to consider than sand and oil.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't disagree with that. Sometimes what has to be done is not pretty. However all I was asking is, "can this be prevented?" Are there more measures that can be taken that less life be burned alive?
    There are people working on the cleanup who believe that BP is covering up the loss of life with these severely endangered animals, and that more could in fact be done to protect the turtles.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    There are people working on the cleanup who believe that BP is covering up the loss of life with these severely endangered animals, and that more could in fact be done to protect the turtles.
    Oh HELL yes!

    We all gotta do something and "SAVE THE TURTLES."

    Oh the humanity,....

    Yours is a worthy and noble cause.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    FOXNews.com - BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says



    BP: "If you don't see us killing them, it didn't happen."

    Seriously, WTF?
    **** the turtles, EAT THE MEEK!!!


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