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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Let me ask you this. Are there more measures they can take to preserve as much sea life as possible?
    Yes there is, it called doing everything you can to minimize the impact of the oil leak.
    In this instance it involves burning the oil, there will be some casualties but that's life.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    the berms jindal was raving about will take nine months to build and the hurricane will destroy them in one night.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    bp needs to pull itself up by it's bootstraps.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Let me ask you this. Are there more measures they can take to preserve as much sea life as possible?
    I wouldn't know, I'm not knowledgeable of such measures and their impact, what measures would you contend?

    But please answer mine, what benefit does BP get from this? If there is no apparant motive, are we not left to one conclusion, it's not deliberate? It's just an accident. Would every individual in those boats be THAT heartless to burn turtles for no reason at all other than pure entertainment? Or is it likely they have something else in mind: Just doing their jobs and cleaning up the oil, they wouldn't have a clue that the turtles are endangered and they could be fined.

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    One aspect that supports Catz is that the fine is not something BP can delay payments on utilizing its the normal method. BP, like Exxon is going to appeal for decades the true payment on this disaster. At the same time is going to line up relatively cheap credit against its annual net cash flow. Effectively, it is going to use the principle of time value of money to reduce the actual payments to something rather trivial for the size of the firm. By fining them through the endangered species act, BP cannot utilize the tried and true avoidance method to evade timely payments.

    I fully realize how BP is going to avoid paying the bank on this and fining them for killing turtles is a way to at least minimize that and actually make them financially regret this screw up.

    As I've said elsewhere on this forum, the only problem BP has in the future regarding this mess is getting future licenses from a Democratic Congress. Actual payments won't be a problem for them in the slightest. Still to pay a $1 billion in fines, they need to kill 20,000 turtles at $50k a pop. That's a lot of turtles.
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Why would anyone advocate letting them go? Do it by the book, says I. Why cut them slack? Is it just to hard to be responsible?

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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes there is, it called doing everything you can to minimize the impact of the oil leak.
    In this instance it involves burning the oil, there will be some casualties but that's life.
    I don't disagree with that. Sometimes what has to be done is not pretty. However all I was asking is, "can this be prevented?" Are there more measures that can be taken that less life be burned alive?
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    I wouldn't know, I'm not knowledgeable of such measures and their impact, what measures would you contend?

    But please answer mine, what benefit does BP get from this? If there is no apparant motive, are we not left to one conclusion, it's not deliberate? It's just an accident. Would every individual in those boats be THAT heartless to burn turtles for no reason at all other than pure entertainment? Or is it likely they have something else in mind: Just doing their jobs and cleaning up the oil, they wouldn't have a clue that the turtles are endangered and they could be fined.
    Please, you don't have to get all worked up here. Jeepers.

    While I don't think BP did any of this deliberately, facts are coming out that they cut corners to save a few bucks. They got cocky, gambled, and lost. This is why I do not deem this as an accident so I have zero sympathy for them. Now they are in a mess, a mess that they are struggling to handle. Of course I realize that there's a lot of ugliness happening. What I'm questioning is whether more can be done to make it less ugly. I don't know... do you?
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Jeez, the US spends billions and billions of dollars on a war to get its hands on all that oil in Iraq. BP dumps millions and millions of gallons of the stuff right on its doorstep and all you hear is moan, moan, moan!!!
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    Re: BP Is Burning Sea Turtles Alive, Gulf Captain Says

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What do the fines help? They're meant as a deterrent. It's not as if they are hunting these animals for profit. They're trying to clean up a mess that would likely have killed those same animals if they did NOT clean it up.

    Look, I know BP screwed the pooch, but let's at least try to be fair.
    Fair to whom? Neither you, nor Rep. Barton, nor Rand Paul are going to make me feel sorry for BP. They wrecklessly went forward with a risky project with no backup plan in case something happened. Now, something has happened and this species of sea turtle - which is thousands of years older than mankind is on the brink of extinction. It was already at great risk but BP could be their final killer.

    And that's on top of what it's done to the people whose lives are forever altered as a result of this.

    I know that you're not really defending BP, but "be fair?" How about being fair to the people and animals whose lives are destroyed or forever altered?

    This never should have happened. If BP were responsible, it wouldn't have.

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