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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    That plan worked very well for the Soviets. Why wouldn't we want to pursue the same glorious victory that the USSR achieved?
    The Taliban are getting better and better at guerrilla warfare. They are adapting to our tactics, techniques and procedures much faster than we can change them.

    Sending more US troops will only give them more targets while providing more opportunities for incidents that turn the population in their favor?

    Even without tincidents nobody....I mean NOBODY wants MORE foreign troops in their backyard.

    We should just pull out and see what happens.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    OK, that's a given, but not earth shattering news. There is a huge difference between the 1990's, when the US was the only major superpower, and today, which features a multipolar paradigm. We are going to have to give and receive cooperation with the Eurozone, Russia, China, South America, and all the other powers, and emerging powers out there. The fact that we can't go it alone any more is an understatement.
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Right now it does.
    And with improvements in technology (innovation does fairly well in relatively free markets) this will change. Either way, I'd rather have a little more pollution and global warming than over a billion people living on less than $1 a day, and drinking out of cholera infected streams. If the planet is going down the toilet, it will be far easier to deal with when you are developed.

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    Capitalist economies are still the lynch pin.
    And the Soviet Union also used a lot of energy. Even if capitalists are the lynch pin now, they at least have more running water.
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Absolutely and there is just no fix. I see a social class system with this. Washington used to be full of WWII and Korean War vets. So was Hollywood. Today there is a very bold line of separation drawn between Washington and the military. Hollywood makes sappy "woe is me" films about the destroyed military psyche or the Washington's disassociation of what is and is not good for our defense.

    Let's save 500,000 dollars by not paying the salaries of 5,000 professional troops, but spend 50 billion dollars on another toy we don't need. Not enough troops to fight in Iraq now? Let's spend another 50 million dollars on a Black Water organization to offer the illusion of numbers. Didn't save any money by cutting down the military did we? All because people don't know the difference between the military and the Defense Industry. It's frustrating and intellectually retarded.
    A good start on fixing things would be to prohibit artificial persons from directly lobbying our govt. If they have a case to make, have them make it to the electorate.
    The defense industry is a big one, but it's not the only pig at that trough. Along with American business corporations, multiple foreign interests have Washington lobbying arms. Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress is a famous example of the potentially terrible consequences of the system as is.

    This particular systemic issue will do more harm to our country than any internal political group or external enemy.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    I got a better idea Simon. Since SCOTUS effectively stated that non-person entities have 1st amendment rights, why not let the vote or hold office?

    Microsoft for Governor of Washington! Why not? After all, they pay taxes and have rights of people. I say we either ban them entirely, or let them act like people.

    C'mon, it would be funny at least as a satirical attack as to why to let such entities influence elections.
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Taliban are getting better and better at guerrilla warfare. They are adapting to our tactics, techniques and procedures much faster than we can change them.
    Have any evidence to support this preposterous notion? Surely, you're not arguing that the US military is being outdone by anyone, anywhere, because that would be demonstrably false. Where have all the "we can't win in Iraq" people gone, anyway?

    The Taliban are bunch of goat-****ing religious extremists. The US military is the most professional, most technologically advanced military on the planet. The Taliban will lose, but only if we let our military win. Why won't you let them win?

    Sending more US troops will only give them more targets while providing more opportunities for incidents that turn the population in their favor?

    Even without tincidents nobody....I mean NOBODY wants MORE foreign troops in their backyard.

    We should just pull out and see what happens.
    Pull out...and see what happens? You don't actually believe that, do you?

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I got a better idea Simon. Since SCOTUS effectively stated that non-person entities have 1st amendment rights, why not let the vote or hold office?

    Microsoft for Governor of Washington! Why not? After all, they pay taxes and have rights of people. I say we either ban them entirely, or let them act like people.

    C'mon, it would be funny at least as a satirical attack as to why to let such entities influence elections.
    Corporations are just a conglomeration of individuals, all of whom posses rights. There is nothing prohibiting individuals from exercising their rights collectively or through a legal medium such as a corporation.

    More importantly, the Federal government does not have the authority to prohibit any type of speech, and is explicitly forbidden from doing so via the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Restrictions on "free speech" are not permitted under the Constitution.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    Corporations are just a conglomeration of individuals, all of whom posses rights. There is nothing prohibiting individuals from exercising their rights collectively or through a legal medium such as a corporation.
    This is true. But it should be changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    More importantly, the Federal government does not have the authority to prohibit any type of speech...
    Actually, it's not a universally comprehensive as that. There are indeed certain kinds of 'speech' that are illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    More importantly, the Federal government does not have the authority to prohibit any type of speech, and is explicitly forbidden from doing so via the First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Restrictions on "free speech" are not permitted under the Constitution.
    Free speech for humans != lobbying by artificial persons
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by alms View Post
    Have any evidence to support this preposterous notion? Surely, you're not arguing that the US military is being outdone by anyone, anywhere, because that would be demonstrably false. Where have all the "we can't win in Iraq" people gone, anyway?
    We bombed and practically destroyed the Taliban in 2001. Fantastico!!!. The object lesson that hurting Americans will cost you big time....so far, so good

    The nightmare ****up begins with the ignorance of many Americans and US politicians would not allow us to stop there. They felt the need to install a false "democratic", stable government. We didn't learn from history. A-stan has never had a stable, centralized government. They have had, and will have for the foreseeable future, a "government" which is popular at first, but then becomes seen as oppressive, because they have to use force to suppress opposition. Why force? Because their opposition always uses force and fire must be met with fire.

    The cold, hard fact is, not everyone is suited for a democratically based system of government and A-stan is a prime example. The US has to stop trying to install friendly governments. If we install them, then we get stuck defending and training them. We get associated and tarred with their excesses and abuses.


    The Taliban are bunch of goat-****ing religious extremists. The US military is the most professional, most technologically advanced military on the planet. The Taliban will lose, but only if we let our military win. Why won't you let them win?
    If you analyze, the parallel between this war and the American Revolution, particularly in the "We're not going anywhere" comment. Although our values are obviously different, their resolve is very much like our own patriotism, which is still very much alive today. We are both absolutely prepared to do whatever is necessary to defeat anyone who threatens our idea of government and way of life. Your goat-****ing religious extremists Afghan tribes will fight among themselves until they have a foreign enemy against which they will fight. Very similar to fighting among family members, but unity against an outsider.

    Pull out...and see what happens? You don't actually believe that, do you?
    Yes, I do. Nothing is going to be settled and people are dying. The US cannot ultimately defeat the Taliban on their own without killing the whole damn population. The Taliban obviously seems to have the right mindset to prevail. The question is...Do our leaders have the mindset of a complete inhilation of the Taliban???

    **** no

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    It should read:

    The world cannot depend as much on the US with Obama as President and a Democrat controlled Congress.


    There... fixed that.

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