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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    U.S. manifest destiny along with its style of corporate capitalism have been the entire drive for globalization over the past 50 years. Even the British empire in the post-mercantilist era could never have dreamed to achieve what the U.S. has accomplished today through Cold War politics. U.S. capitalism won and along with it U.S. currency and its style of doing business.

    As the U.S. global influence gradually fades over time due to economic reasons, I am really curious to see how business around the world will evolve free from that cultural propagation. The U.S. will always be a regional hegemon but I think its unsustainable economic practices are falling out of disfavor, especially in Europe.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    I don't think anyone here will deny that there is a ridiculous amount of wasteful spending in defense.

    That said, I also think few (left, center, right) here would be against an honest review that made spending leaner and did away with excesses - it would mean more money for stuff, we actually need.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Of course America can't be the only one dragging other nations along economically. Everything you own, from your car to your I-Pod to your pencils, come from parts, patents, and labor from many other nations. It's been like this for centuries. Maybe America's influence isn't as great as it once was, but that's not a matter of us falling; it's others catching up. There's nothing wrong with that. The more development, the better.
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Of course America can't be the only one dragging other nations along economically. Everything you own, from your car to your I-Pod to your pencils, come from parts, patents, and labor from many other nations. It's been like this for centuries. Maybe America's influence isn't as great as it once was, but that's not a matter of us falling; it's others catching up. There's nothing wrong with that. The more development, the better.
    When the U.S. has 25% of the world's population but uses 60% of the world's annual bounty, there is no "catching up", America has to conserve.

    The U.S. has set an impractical, unhealthy, and impossible standard for the rest of the world. I would prefer if the world followed the economies of some European nations or the micro-economies of some self-sustaining African societies, than I would for the world to follow the American capitalist blue print. Look at China... they are trying to become the U.S., and their country has become one big smoke stack that is draining the world and polluting the air at the same time.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    There's a difference between the military and the gross Defense Industry.

    Billions can be saved by stream lining the Defense Industry. Putting the brakes on the F/A-22 was a start. But the ironic rub towards Washington and the elected "wisemen" who run it to the ground is that their periodic attempts to save tax payer dollars by cutting the number of troops since the end of the Cold War has merely produced scenarios where they are spending more on civilian contractors to do what others in uniform did for less.

    Cutting the military equals Blackwater. But maybe the Washington mouth pieces were right in 1989....."Our wars are over."
    It would be preferable if the US wars were over, I am not entirely sure whether we actually gain anything from constantly warring with other nations.
    Afghanistan was different is so far as those who attacked the US were being harboured there.
    The Iraq war was stupid, we gained nothing.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    It would be preferable if the US wars were over, I am not entirely sure whether we actually gain anything from constantly warring with other nations.
    Afghanistan was different is so far as those who attacked the US were being harboured there.
    The Iraq war was stupid, we gained nothing.
    We have eliminated a potential threat in Iraq.

    Hans Blix testimony before the war illustrated what we didn't know; which was a huge amount of the most dangerous toxins in the world were unaccounted for and that they were in the dark about what Saddam had done in the four years the Inspecteurs de la UN were booted out. He would have reconstituted his WMD programs as well.

    David Kay in Senate Armed Services testimony stated we were lucky, as the place was in such chaos, he believed the chance for a terrorist hooking up with and acquiring WMD was a real possibility, and if it didn't already happen we were lucky.

    The benefit of taking out Saddam and setting up the infancy of democracy in that region is yet fully unknown and won't be known for some time.

    If we want to cut spending, there are scores of departments and programs that should be phased out or shut down.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    When the U.S. has 25% of the world's population but uses 60% of the world's annual bounty, there is no "catching up", America has to conserve.

    The U.S. has set an impractical, unhealthy, and impossible standard for the rest of the world. I would prefer if the world followed the economies of some European nations or the micro-economies of some self-sustaining African societies, than I would for the world to follow the American capitalist blue print. Look at China... they are trying to become the U.S., and their country has become one big smoke stack that is draining the world and polluting the air at the same time.
    Ahh, the sirens song of "White mans Guilt". America is not to blame, this is just utter, complete crap logic. The rest of the world needs to get over their envy of the USA. And if you feel guilty cause we are so successful... go piss off.
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ahh, the sirens song of "White mans Guilt". America is not to blame, this is just utter, complete crap logic. The rest of the world needs to get over their envy of the USA. And if you feel guilty cause we are so successful... go piss off.
    since when is america just white? i'm sure black people contribute too, and the rest of the world blames all americans equally
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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Ahh, the sirens song of "White mans Guilt". America is not to blame, this is just utter, complete crap logic. The rest of the world needs to get over their envy of the USA. And if you feel guilty cause we are so successful... go piss off.
    Glad to see you are employing your classical MrV "logic" as usual.

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    Re: US can 'no longer drive global growth'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And Duece agains adds nothing to a thread.

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