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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This whole article is quackers - and right now a lot of people on benefits are hauling ass to the Casinos to give it a go, the month is almost up . . . they can slide.



    Oh my! Someone in government says this?
    The govt does use tax dollars for their intended purpose. It's just that you have allowed them to decide all kinds of purposes outside the scope of the Constitution. Trust me, if Congress finds out you haven't used tax dollars the way they say to, they'll kick your ass.
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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    There isn't a system in place to make that possible. The wasted overhead in trying to manually approve every transactions would cost more than it is worth.
    Au contraire. Most states have limited places that accept their government support cards. Purchases are limited to food items (example-you cant purchase a pack of smokes with the card, but you can purchase a bag of potato chips). It would be very easy to limit use to grocery stores. No fast food joints, no malls, legit food purchases. No cash allowances or advances.

    Its no wonder California runs a 60 billion dollar deficit with that kind of wreckless and careless social spending.

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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, no doubt. Even if the state should somehow make it impossible for the welfare recipients to use their cards in casinos, what's to stop them from using them in regular ATMs, then taking the cash to the casino, or, for that matter, using it to buy drugs from their favorite dealer or booze at the liquor store?

    People who are living on the largess of the rest of us shouldn't have that option. It would be much better to give them vouchers for rent and groceries, pay their power bill, and let them get a job if they want to be able to spend money the way they want. Welfare is not their money.

    Morover, welfare should be a temporary hand up for people who have had a run of bad luck, not a way of life. Whatever happened to welfare reform?
    To the point...their welfare cards shouldnt work in ANY ATMS there shouldnt be the ability to withdraw cash...in any circumstance.

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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Umm who cares? You just gave out the biggest welfare payout by far to the banking industry.. so they can keep using their gambling machine. These cards may be used in casino atm's big freaking deal.. but is likely they need the money to pay their rent.
    The point of this thread is welfare fraud, not what is given out. Just because the waste on one level is significantly much smaller than the waste on another does not mean complaints about that waste are any less legitimate than the much larger waste.
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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Umm who cares? You just gave out the biggest welfare payout by far to the banking industry.. so they can keep using their gambling machine. These cards may be used in casino atm's big freaking deal.. but is likely they need the money to pay their rent.
    WHen your state is 60 billion dollars in debt...the citizens of that state SHOULD care. Additionally...two wrongs dont make a right...they make really really WRONG.

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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    excellent point. the American taxpayer DID cover the losses of the wealthy, not just in the USA, but worldwide ... and it's not like they did not lose their money gambling
    And THAT doesnt piss you off as well? SO the answer is for the citizens to get involved and make sure NEITHER happens again...not excuse the one because of the other.

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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Umm who cares? You just gave out the biggest welfare payout by far to the banking industry.. so they can keep using their gambling machine. These cards may be used in casino atm's big freaking deal.. but is likely they need the money to pay their rent.
    Please educate yourself before posting. The banking industry has paid most of the money back with interest. Listen to the news some time.

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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Umm who cares? You just gave out the biggest welfare payout by far to the banking industry.. so they can keep using their gambling machine. These cards may be used in casino atm's big freaking deal.. but is likely they need the money to pay their rent.
    big freaking deal - it's likely they need the money to pay the rent.

    What money? The money that they wasted away when gambling?
    What's the success rate for peole who gamble to make that money *all back* and then *extra* on top of it?

    Why not just get a solid, honest job - take their tax return and MOVE to a more affordable place to live?
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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To the point...their welfare cards shouldnt work in ANY ATMS there shouldnt be the ability to withdraw cash...in any circumstance.
    Exactly.

    If the taxpayers fund welfare to keep kids from starving and parents from having to steal to survive, then the taxpayers should make sure that the money is used in the way intended.

    We, the people, can't afford the welfare state much longer.
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    Re: California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Exactly.

    If the taxpayers fund welfare to keep kids from starving and parents from having to steal to survive, then the taxpayers should make sure that the money is used in the way intended.

    We, the people, can't afford the welfare state much longer.
    Just because some states couldn't pull it off at all - and it's poorly run and riddle with holes - doesn't mean it's not a good idea - or necessary to some.

    I think the real problem si that there isn't enough restriction and regulation - and too much money overall being given. It's not suppose to fully support someone, its' suppose to supplement their income.

    if someone was willing to gamble it away or spend it on non-essentials, or otherwise afford non-essentials - then they don't realy need it. Their alloted money should be reduced by ___ amount.

    I agree that the best way to end that is to remove the "cash" factor and just stick with a Wic/EBT system so long as the holes are plugged. (The way WIC works is that you get vouchers per item - like a coupon - you can only buy THOSE items on THE voucher and up to THAT amount of money vouched - nothing more, nothing else.
    They vouch for many other things: cost of healthcare, child care, transportation - it's a paperwork mess that needs to be smoothed out - but if someone can't manage their own money or can't be trusted then they shouldn't be given money)
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