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Al Gore Accused of "Unwanted Sexual Contact" in 2006, Authorities Say

RightinNYC said:
FWIW, it sounds like she did make some sort of report at the time, but then said she didn't want to go forward with the case for whatever reason.



Learn to read the thread before posting. Whether or not you or I think there's anything there has no bearing on the fact that for better or worse, this is noteworthy.

If you're so unhappy that this is being treated as news, why not type up a letter of complaint to the NYT and let them know how you feel?
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Maybe it would be more apparent in a different article - but I read and gathered that the original report was filed in 2006 but that doesn't detail when the unwanted activity took place.

Former Vice President Al Gore was accused of "unwanted sexual contact" by an unidentified woman in Portland, Ore., in 2006, according to local law-enforcement officials, although no criminal charges were filed.
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"unwanted touching"? Are you ****ing kidding me?

People will sue and press charges for anything nowadays. ****ing ridiculous.
 
rivrrat said:
"unwanted touching"? Are you ****ing kidding me?

People will sue and press charges for anything nowadays. ****ing ridiculous.
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I suggest you read her statement before pooh poohing her claim. If she is correct, he did a lot more than just "touch" her.
 
Gill said:
I suggest you read her statement before pooh poohing her claim. If she is correct, he did a lot more than just "touch" her.
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I read the article. It says "unwanted touching".

I also read how she refused a criminal investigation because she wanted to sue him for money instead. THAT is all I need to know about her right there. That is enough for me to call ****ing bull**** on any goddamn thing she says.
 
rivrrat said:
"unwanted touching"? Are you ****ing kidding me?

People will sue and press charges for anything nowadays. ****ing ridiculous.
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Gore Accuser Paints Picture of Erratic, Forceful Man | ThePortlander

"VP Gore asked the woman to massage his buttocks, inner thighs and abdomen during the scheduled 90 minute massage.

She says that during the massage, Gore began to moan in a sexual manner while asking her to move her hands closer & closer to his genital region.

When she stopped, he allegedly became angry & yelled at her before grabbing her hand & shoving it under the sheet covering his naked body, resting it on his pubic region.

After the first incident, the accuser was able to get back to a normal massage routine which she finished without further incident.

However, as she was packing up, she says Gore embraced her, grabbing & rubbing her butt & breasts.

She told police that she recalled feeling VP Gore sexually aroused.

After getting away from this physical embrace near the exit of Gore’s hotel room, the woman continued to pack up when Gore summoned her to the bedroom.

She states that she reluctantly went with him where he soon after grabbed her & forced her to her back on the bed.

He allegedly straddled her, asking for sex.

From there, she claims that VP Gore assaulted her one final time as he physically embraced her again, rubbing her bottom, chest, thighs and pubic area.

She says that she was finally able to convince Gore that she was not going to have sex with him and then left his hotel room at 1:30, two & a half hours after first entering Gore’s hotel room.

At home she called a friend to tell of her experience and later noticed that her pant leg contained stains in the area where Vice President Gore pressed himself against her. She saved the pants, without cleaning them."

I aint sayin...Im just sayin...
 
rivrrat said:
I also read how she refused a criminal investigation because she wanted to sue him for money instead. THAT is all I need to know about her right there. That is enough for me to call ****ing bull**** on any goddamn thing she says.
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Yea, that's usually a pretty good sign. Also, the on-off thing with contacting police, then refusing to meet, then contacting them again in 09, then refusing to do anything, then giving the story to the national enquirer now, etc. doesn't do much for her credibility.
 
RightinNYC said:
Yea, that's usually a pretty good sign. Also, the on-off thing with contacting police, then refusing to meet, then contacting them again in 09, then refusing to do anything, then giving the story to the national enquirer now, etc. doesn't do much for her credibility.
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I agree it hurts her credibility. It ALSO doesnt mean it didnt happen. and wont it be interesting if there is yet another DNA stained item of clothing...
 
rivrrat said:
I read the article. It says "unwanted touching".

I also read how she refused a criminal investigation because she wanted to sue him for money instead. THAT is all I need to know about her right there. That is enough for me to call ****ing bull**** on any goddamn thing she says.
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And the one article is all you need to claim she's a liar ???

Pretty sad.
 
RightinNYC said:
Yea, that's usually a pretty good sign. Also, the on-off thing with contacting police, then refusing to meet, then contacting them again in 09, then refusing to do anything, then giving the story to the national enquirer now, etc. doesn't do much for her credibility.
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Yup. And according to her own statement, she remained in the room with him after he "grabbed her hand and pressed it to his groin". And then willingly went into the bedroom when he summoned her there. She remained in the room with him willingly for 2 and half hours. An hour longer than her massage was supposed to last. She keeps the pants but waits to go to the police? Refused to participate in a criminal investigation, but pursues civil?

Bull. ****ing. Crap. I don't believe a goddamn word.
 
VanceMack said:
Gore Accuser Paints Picture of Erratic, Forceful Man | ThePortlander

"VP Gore asked the woman to massage his buttocks, inner thighs and abdomen during the scheduled 90 minute massage.

She says that during the massage, Gore began to moan in a sexual manner while asking her to move her hands closer & closer to his genital region.

When she stopped, he allegedly became angry & yelled at her before grabbing her hand & shoving it under the sheet covering his naked body, resting it on his pubic region.

After the first incident, the accuser was able to get back to a normal massage routine which she finished without further incident.

However, as she was packing up, she says Gore embraced her, grabbing & rubbing her butt & breasts.

She told police that she recalled feeling VP Gore sexually aroused.

After getting away from this physical embrace near the exit of Gore’s hotel room, the woman continued to pack up when Gore summoned her to the bedroom.

She states that she reluctantly went with him where he soon after grabbed her & forced her to her back on the bed.

He allegedly straddled her, asking for sex.

From there, she claims that VP Gore assaulted her one final time as he physically embraced her again, rubbing her bottom, chest, thighs and pubic area.

She says that she was finally able to convince Gore that she was not going to have sex with him and then left his hotel room at 1:30, two & a half hours after first entering Gore’s hotel room.

At home she called a friend to tell of her experience and later noticed that her pant leg contained stains in the area where Vice President Gore pressed himself against her. She saved the pants, without cleaning them."

I aint sayin...Im just sayin...
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I feel like I just read a story out of Penthouse Forum
 
Gill said:
And the one article is all you need to claim she's a liar ???

Pretty sad.
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Yup, her words are all I need to claim she's a ****ing money-grubbing lying bitch that makes it difficult for ACTUAL sexual assault victims to come forward. SHE is the reason ACTUAL sexual assaults are so under reported.

**** her

If she'd been assaulted, she would NOT have pursued civil action instead of criminal.
 
rivrrat said:
Yup, her words are all I need to claim she's a ****ing money-grubbing lying bitch that makes it difficult for ACTUAL sexual assault victims to come forward. SHE is the reason ACTUAL sexual assaults are so under reported.

**** her

If she'd been assaulted, she would NOT have pursued civil action instead of criminal.
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Wow...

OK then...
 
Aunt Spiker said:
That's exactly why the woman in the situation isn't filing real charges or going anywhere with it - there's no proof and it's likely it didn't happen.

I never undersatnd the notion behind waiting for YEARS to report something :shrug: Especially if it's sexual in nature - don't you think that *right after* it happened would be the time in which the victim is driven by emotion.
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I can.
When you're dealing with people with connections, you wonder if you'll end up like Vincent Foster.
Or your character will be assasinated.

What chance did Paula Jones have in Arkansas? Really.
If it wasn't for the blue dress, they would have destroyed her and Lewinsky.
In fact they just started to rev up the character assisination machine on Lewinsky when the blue dress came out (no pun intended). Too bad it didn't emerge even a week later; Clinton would have not only been impeached for lying under oath, but the D's would have had no choice but to remove The Clintons from office.

RightinNYC said:
Let's please try to avoid discussions of the Clintons in this thread.
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Caught this after making the above post.
The problem is, is it is relevant to the question asked.
The Clintons are a perfect example of why one would wait to report.

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rivrrat said:
Yup. And according to her own statement, she remained in the room with him after he "grabbed her hand and pressed it to his groin". And then willingly went into the bedroom when he summoned her there. She remained in the room with him willingly for 2 and half hours. An hour longer than her massage was supposed to last. She keeps the pants but waits to go to the police? Refused to participate in a criminal investigation, but pursues civil?

Bull. ****ing. Crap. I don't believe a goddamn word.
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That's exactly how I feel after reading the details. She had plenty of opportunity to leave and she didn't. If he did grab her hand towards his groin, a true professional masseuse would have left immediately and not stay for a second longer. If something did happen, I don't think she has been at the very least truthful with the details.
 
rivrrat said:
Yup, her words are all I need to claim she's a ****ing money-grubbing lying bitch that makes it difficult for ACTUAL sexual assault victims to come forward. SHE is the reason ACTUAL sexual assaults are so under reported.

**** her

If she'd been assaulted, she would NOT have pursued civil action instead of criminal.
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You could very well be right, but I don't think her not going to the police sooner means anything. Women often are reluctant to report sexual molestation. She said she was afraid he would cause trouble with her at the hotel and destroy her livelihood, which is an understandable concern.

As for remaining in the room, she brought a lot of equipment with her and had to pack it up again. If her statement is correct, he wouldn't let her.

And finally, like I said before... if she truly did keep pants with Gore's DNA on them, his goose is cooked. What I find strange is that we suddenly have all these accusations of Gore's fiddling right after Tipper kicks him out after so many years. I think Tipper either found out about his fooling around or more likely, got tired of it after so many years.
 
Gill said:
You could very well be right, but I don't think her not going to the police sooner means anything. Women often are reluctant to report sexual molestation. She said she was afraid he would cause trouble with her at the hotel and destroy her livelihood, which is an understandable concern.
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I'm not talking about her reluctance to go to the police. I'm talking about the fact that she KEPT the pants, which indicates she had intent to do something with them. And then goes to the police months later but refuses to participate in a criminal investigation so she could sue him instead. No sexual assault victim would want to SUE her attacker in lieu of criminal charges. Maybe they might sue after criminal charges are brought and/or dropped. But not in lieu of. And, if a person does opt for money instead of justice for their assault, then I have absolutely no sympathy for their assault and I question that it even happened at all.

As for remaining in the room, she brought a lot of equipment with her and had to pack it up again. If her statement is correct, he wouldn't let her.
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She continued massaging him after he supposedly put her hand on his groin. And, if she was being continually assaulted, she would have walked out without her equipment, gone to the front desk and told them about it and demanded help in getting her equipment back. You seriously want me to believe that a woman being sexually assualted is going to hang around to get some equipment?

And finally, like I said before... if she truly did keep pants with Gore's DNA on them, his goose is cooked. What I find strange is that we suddenly have all these accusations of Gore's fiddling right after Tipper kicks him out after so many years. I think Tipper either found out about his fooling around or more likely, got tired of it after so many years.
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No, his goose isn't cooked. All it would show is that something sexual happened. Not that it was sexual assault.

I don't buy her story at all. Not even a little bit. She'll have a hard time convincing most women to buy that line of crap.
 
so instead of leaving his carbon footprint, he left a pecker track
 
rivrrat said:
I'm not talking about her reluctance to go to the police. I'm talking about the fact that she KEPT the pants, which indicates she had intent to do something with them. And then goes to the police months later but refuses to participate in a criminal investigation so she could sue him instead. No sexual assault victim would want to SUE her attacker in lieu of criminal charges. Maybe they might sue after criminal charges are brought and/or dropped. But not in lieu of. And, if a person does opt for money instead of justice for their assault, then I have absolutely no sympathy for their assault and I question that it even happened at all.


She continued massaging him after he supposedly put her hand on his groin. And, if she was being continually assaulted, she would have walked out without her equipment, gone to the front desk and told them about it and demanded help in getting her equipment back. You seriously want me to believe that a woman being sexually assualted is going to hang around to get some equipment?


No, his goose isn't cooked. All it would show is that something sexual happened. Not that it was sexual assault.

I don't buy her story at all. Not even a little bit. She'll have a hard time convincing most women to buy that line of crap.
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How many women go to parties...contemplate a sexual act...then change their mind? How many have that decision made for them regardless of their choices?

Other than the ACTUAL POLICE REPORT we dont have the first clue about what went on in that room or the womans motivation. maybe it WAS PURELY financial. Maybe. Or maybe felt like she would get ****ed over in the press and harassed for the rest of her life (Kobes accuser got reamed...so did Clintons). And maybe it WAS actually traumatic to her and she has decided to sue for compensation. Nah...**** her...lets just judge her based on an article or two...
 
rivrrat said:
I'm not talking about her reluctance to go to the police. I'm talking about the fact that she KEPT the pants, which indicates she had intent to do something with them. And then goes to the police months later but refuses to participate in a criminal investigation so she could sue him instead. No sexual assault victim would want to SUE her attacker in lieu of criminal charges. Maybe they might sue after criminal charges are brought and/or dropped. But not in lieu of. And, if a person does opt for money instead of justice for their assault, then I have absolutely no sympathy for their assault and I question that it even happened at all.
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I think the bar for reasonable doubt is lower in civil court. So her lawyers strategy might have been to avoid a loss in criminal court that might affect a civil case.
 
Gill said:
You could very well be right, but I don't think her not going to the police sooner means anything. Women often are reluctant to report sexual molestation. She said she was afraid he would cause trouble with her at the hotel and destroy her livelihood, which is an understandable concern.

As for remaining in the room, she brought a lot of equipment with her and had to pack it up again. If her statement is correct, he wouldn't let her.

And finally, like I said before... if she truly did keep pants with Gore's DNA on them, his goose is cooked. What I find strange is that we suddenly have all these accusations of Gore's fiddling right after Tipper kicks him out after so many years. I think Tipper either found out about his fooling around or more likely, got tired of it after so many years.
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I wondered about the timing of their divorce and this story. My gut tells me it's BS, but reading what happened seems too contrived that it borders on truth. I'll wait and see what happens. She could be using hte pants thing to scare Gore into giving her $$$. I find her not leaving after his initial behavior hurts her credibility.

This story makes me want to saw "ewwwww."
 
winston53660 said:
I think the bar for reasonable doubt is lower in civil court. So her lawyers strategy might have been to avoid a loss in criminal court that might affect a civil case.
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Of course the bar is lower, that's the point. It's ****ing bull****. She went to a ****ing lawyer before telling anyone else what happened. WTF sexual assault victim does that?

Bull. Crap. I don't buy it for a second. She chooses money over justice. **** her. She and her ilk are THE reason actual sexual assault victims don't want to press charges, and women like that infuriate me.
 
rivrrat said:
I'm judging her based on her own words.
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Really? Which words...the few that you have seen in newspapers or your unbiased face to face conversations you have had? You know her mind from snipppets reported all of YESTERDAY? how about from the 15 page police report? Any feel for how she was treated by the cops? On their willingness to pursue charges? On if they made her feel like **** for being there...blamed it on her...or didnt believe anything she said?
 
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