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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    banning toys with fast food meals isn't going to stop lazy parenting, if parents are going to buy fast food for their kids, they'll buy it, toys or not.
    No, but it will reduce the kids' demand for fast food so that it will rely more on parental laziness than parental permissiveness. Parents choosing fast food is a different animal from children choosing it and parents acquiescing.

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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Crap like this makes me want to hate the society we live in far more than waterboarding.

    Ugg, stop being so god damn litigious
    What if we waterboarded the people who filed frivolous lawsuits? They drown our courts, we drown their faces. Fair's fair.

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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It is not McDonald's fault that people get fat.
    No, it's not. But at the same time, the problem has progressed far beyond the point where "ignore it and hope it goes away" is an acceptable solution.

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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    No, it's not. But at the same time, the problem has progressed far beyond the point where "ignore it and hope it goes away" is an acceptable solution.
    Suing McDonalds will not make people thinner.
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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm curious...those of you who think the lawsuit should be tossed: Would you feel the same way about, say, cigarette companies advertising to children? Back in the early 1960s, they used to show Fred Flintstone smoking Winston cigarettes during the commercial breaks. And as recently as the 1990s, there was the whole controversy about Joe Camel. I'm just wondering if you think there is a clear distinction between that and McDonald's, and if so, what that distinction is. Or do you think that the cigarette advertising should be legal as well?

    Not trying to bait, I'm genuinely curious. I really don't have an opinion on the McDonald's case yet, but in any case it doesn't sound like an open-and-shut frivolous lawsuit to me.

    I guess the main distinction (at least from my perspective) is that cigarettes are illegal for minors to consume, and McDonald's isn't. But that's a bit shaky of a defense IMO, because the plaintiffs are not alleging that McDonald's tried to get them to break the law by advertising their toys...only that McDonald's tried to get them addicted by advertising their toys.
    Great question. Personally I'd say they're different. Here's why.

    While an argument can be made that fast food is addicting, primarily so in a mental way, it is by no means nearly on par with nicotine. You then must add in the legality factor. While you somewhat dismiss it above, it is a massive thing. You should not be advertising something to a group of people that are years away from even being legally allowed to buy or use said item. I'd feel the same way about beer and liquor advertisements on during "preteen" type shows such as Degrassi or back when I was younger Saved by the Bell. To put such advertisements in place immedietely calls into question the companies intended subjects and gives a legitimate case for them trying to encourage people to violate the law. Such can not be applied to McDonalds. Finally, while Fast Food is hardly the healthiest of foods it does still serve nutrional value, where as cigerettes for children serve little to no "necessary" value to them. Additionally, if the argument is that advertising toys is the problem then the issue isn't that a specific type of food is being advertised. Most of the major fast food chains have started implimenting helathier sides if not main courses, to where the child may be having an unhealthy small burger or chicken nuggets but would be having fruit along with milk or juice along with it. If the kid is having fries and a soda, and the advertisement that is questionable is for the toy and not the food, then the issue is on the parents for not making the kid take the healthier option.

    This is a symptom of people being upset, in part, in the way that advertising and capitalism works. Advertising is SUPPOSED to be persusasive. Its supposed to be manipulative to a certain extent. That's in part how its successful. As long as its not doing it in a way that's illegal, or convincing you to do something illegal, then in my mind that's fine.

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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    No, but it will reduce the kids' demand for fast food so that it will rely more on parental laziness than parental permissiveness. Parents choosing fast food is a different animal from children choosing it and parents acquiescing.
    kids'll still want fast food, it tastes good, all this will do is make them select different meals.
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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Suing McDonalds will not make people thinner.
    No, it won't. But changing the way it's allowed to advertise to people might.

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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

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    In other news, the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition, and Forestry is holding hearing on fatness with testimonies from Big Food.
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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Citing toys aimed at promoting the latest "Shrek" movie, the Center for Science in the Public Interest said that the plastic promotions lure children into McDonald's restaurants where they are then likely to order food that is too high in calories, fat and salt.
    Well what if they weren't plastic, hmm? Or weren't toys? I've had books and music CD's from other restaurants?

    McDonald's is the stranger in the playground handing out candy to children," Stephen Gardner, litigation director for the advocacy group said in a statement. "McDonald's use of toys undercuts parental authority and exploits young children's developmental immaturity.
    What are they trying to do, here, make McD's out to be some sort of twisted pervert - molesting children - or the Child Snatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?
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    And what about other restaurants?
    EVERY restaurant has some sort of child-occupation waiting on hand: toys, crayons, video games at Pizza Hut, Burger King, KFC, Taco Bell. . . They all have very unhealthy choices and health-wise choices. (notice how choices is the key word)

    Are they really going to take them all on?

    I think it's lunacy, honestly - and will it solve "problems?"

    I think, if they REALLY feel about this, they should focus on the parents - and encourage adequate FAMILY nutrition and overall physical fitness.
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    Re: McDonald's Faces Happy Meals' Lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Well, it is still better, if kids are not constantly bombarded with junk food and advertising.

    Yes, they can go out and play, and while they are playing they will receive junk food gifts on a daily basis in the playground. Everybody gives kids candy. Even the shop staff hand it out, when parents take their kids to the supermarket, restaruant staff hand it out...

    And, yes I know already that there are lots of parents who consider themselves to be perfect, and claim to not feel any pressure from advertising and society, and that they will have all the perfect solutions to share about how the other less perfect parents can make themselves and their own kids perfect too. And, just because I feel like having a childish moment, I say ''Liar Liar, pants on fire'', to those parents.
    Actually, I don't consider myself a perfect parent at all. I just don't blame advertisements aimed towards my kids on my choice to buy them stuff. My kid does get McDonalds Happy Meals. I don't and wouldn't buy them because my child is hounding me. That would take extra effort on my part. I get him a Happy Meal when I plan to eat McDonalds (or whatever fast food place I am eating at). I'm not giving into my kid, I'm just not going to let him go hungry and watch me eat. I couldn't imagine making an extra trip anywhere because my son was begging for a Happy Meal toy.

    And, the avoiding advertising is easy for me, because most of what my kids watch is PBS and DVDs. We just don't turn on the other channels that often, at least not while the kids are up. I do understand that older children will most likely want to watch other cartoons, especially if they have friends at school telling them about them. But there is still some parental control over what they watch and how much they get to watch it. Actually, I think DVR, DVDs, and shows on the computer could help parents control advertising to their children as well.

    In the end, I still see it as the parents' choice to buy the food for their children. Also, I see some negative consequences to this as possible as well. I know I have been known to buy the smaller kids meal for myself if I wanted the toy (I can be a big kid sometimes), so I ended up eating a smaller meal out because of the toy. If the kids are allowed to choose whatever they want on a fast food menu, then it is possible that the parents will now be getting their kids bigger meals because the kid feels gyped because he isn't getting a toy in his Happy Meal.
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