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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So do McChrystal's comments amount to insubordination? No, says Eugene Fidell
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    It was already posted.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Pssssssst

    It was already posted.
    Psssst, didn't you see the ditto....I cut and pasted from Tex's post. But don't tell him.
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    LOL Didn't realize it was quoted of Tex's without the quote box. My bad.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

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    So throughout this there are numerous pieces of evidence to suggest that McChrystal shouldn't, and likely won't, be brought forward for a court martial. The ONLY evidence you've brought to the contrary so far has been your own reading of the rule and what you THINK should happen.
    Well, I still think that the Yale professor's comments go to my point that there is an argument to be made on both sides of the issue of whether this conduct rises to the level of an article 88 violation, but your point is well taken.

    Here is the best evidence I can scrounge up to support my argument atm, and then I have to go to work. You'll have to bear with me because it is a bit circuitous. According to US v. Howe, 17 U.S.C.M.A. 165 "[W]e emphasize the Article 88 is designed to cover the use of "contemptuous" words toward holders of certain offices named therein. "Contemptuous" is used in the ordinary sense as is evidenced by the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States, 1951, paragraph 167. See Webster's Third New International Dictionary. " Merriam Webster defines contempt as "the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : disdain b : lack of respect or reverence for something." Contempt - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary So, I'd argue that the Yale prof is mistaken that "contemptuous" and "disrespectful" are materially different for purposes of an article 88 violation. That's all I've got for now, but I think it's a solid point.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    And Obama just thanked McChrystal for his service! Now that's classy.
    Wouldn't want to speak to truth to power.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    I think Obama put it best when he said the General's comments "undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system."

    Our General's shouldn't participate in political/social grandstanding for any reasons. It was a horrible decision for him to participate in the article.
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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    I suspect we'd have to court martial the entire military every time we have a Democratic president if we were serious about soldiers "despising" the civilian administration.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I think Obama put it best when he said the General's comments "undermines the civilian control of the military that is at the core of our democratic system."

    Our General's shouldn't participate in political/social grandstanding for any reasons. It was a horrible decision for him to participate in the article.
    Ya I remember Obama being up in arms when all of those Generals and CIA men turned against the Bush administration, why he was just livid.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    I am really torn on this issue..........On the one hand I believe in the chain of command and the DOD runs the military....On the other hand when you have such a bumbbling idiot like Obama running the show and screwing everything up it has to be very difficult for our Commanders in the field..........
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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya I remember Obama being up in arms when all of those Generals and CIA men turned against the Bush administration, why he was just livid.
    Obama is a politician. General McChrystal is not. He does not have the luxury of having making negative comments in a public forum about his chain of command during war time.
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