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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Let me explain something to you, since you appear to be woefully underinformated as to the kind of behavior that is expected from military officers. "Joking" criticism of superior officers is generally frowned upon, particularly by four star generals talking to reporters. We're not talking about about a guy who was accidentally overheard making a joke in the privacy of his own home or something, we're talking about a four star general representing the military to the press who permitted an unforgivable lapse of decorum. What's so hard about accepting the fact that this guy failed to live up to his duty? Oh yeah, I guess that'd require you to not be critical of Obama. I repeat, you and tex are indulging in the worst kind of partisan hackery.
    Oh Mr. Pot, you're a hoot. Just don't look into the mirror, you're going to have an awful big shock when you realize you're the one that's black.

    Its not being the worst kind of partisan for criticizing Obama. That would be attacking Obama in an over the top fashion with hyperbole, exaggerations, and lies while not even batting an eye, making a statement against, or giving the slightest thought into the potential wrong doings or questionable actions of the General.

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    He should've resigned, or been relieved.
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    there was enough said concerning the strategy and administration of the Commander in Chief that he created a situation where there was really no other reasonable answer to expect.
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    You just don't speak in such a manner
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    it was idiotic for the interview to have been allowed to happen in the first place.
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    Grounds for dismissal? Entirely.
    See, wonderful little thing called intellectual honesty. What he did was wrong. What Obama did in response was right. I dislike Obama. I have respect as a military officer for McChrystal. Despite these facts I have no qualms or issues at all with acknowledging his mistake and his correct punishment for it.

    Simply because I do not become so frothingly hyper partisan like yourself to believe the extent at which you try to portray the situation, which you've repeatedly and continually failed to back up with anything save for insults and insinuations of "lack of understanding" on the part of other when in reality you've simply presented nothing of actual substance to back up your assertions concerning the CIC, does not make me "partisan". Indeed, it is your extreme exaggeration and your complete one sidedness, 100% and without question behind Obama and 100% without exception trashing and belittling McChrystal for everything that he's worth, that causes you to view someone that's actually being relatively objective here as being "partisan" because you have flung yourself so far to the left that you're about to find yourself in the middle of the Pacific.

    If you are actually going to take the leap that third party heresay comments and relatively light joking mixed with negative comments towards members of the beuracracy is somehow singularly and completely enough to label someone a "prick" and "rubbish" and entirely unworthy and incapable of leading Men and Women of the Military and yet withhold even a sliver of objectivity to look at what pushed a well respected and well decorated general to even get to this point and how such things reflect upon the President, his judgement, and his administration then there is really no reason for a single solitary respectable and intelligent poster on this forum to take a word you blather on about seriously.

    McCrhystal was in the wrong, its extremely difficult to argue that in any way. One may argue that his VIEWS were correct, but there's little debate one can truly make to suggest that his ACTIONS were. Its a difficult debate to claim that he deserves a court martial, though a slightly less difficult one to state he deserves a trial for it though still rather specious. Its an entirely fruitless debate thus far for you to repeatedly claim that he's negative statements about the President as you have REPEATEDLY:

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    A number of his comments about Obama
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    ***Zyph Note - In regards to a comment stating he'd need to actually make a comment about Obama***

    Yeah, I realize that, and he did
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    refraining from criticizing the commander-in-chief is a sacred duty for our military officers. He failed.
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    Yeah, so I guess a four star general badmouthing the commander-in-chief .
    Without once, throughout this entire thread, presenting a single solitary direct quote from the General speaking negatively towards Obama. Perhaps it'd be an easy claim to make if something actually backing it up was given, but so far you've been completely and wholey unable to do that, instead hiding behind the cover of claiming anyone that dare object to your extreme hyper partisanship as being them themselves "the worst kind of partisan".

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Or who can forget Obama's drilling of patreus...

    Yes, Obama did give Petraus hell at one time, but his replacing McChrystal with Petraus shows me that this is not some political stunt. After all, Obama does not really like Petraus that much, Liberals referred to him as "Betray us", and he was appointed by Bush. That tells me a lot about Obama. I still disagree with most everything Obama is doing, but for him to put political hackery aside, and do what he feels is in the best interests of America, I can only say this - "Well done, Mr. President".

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, Obama did give Petraus hell at one time, but his replacing McChrystal with Petraus shows me that this is not some political stunt. After all, Obama does not really like Petraus that much, Liberals referred to him as "Betray us", and he was appointed by Bush. That tells me a lot about Obama. I still disagree with most everything Obama is doing, but for him to put political hackery aside, and do what he feels is in the best interests of America, I can only say this - "Well done, Mr. President".

    NOTE: I couldn't help but choke when I said this, but honesty dictates that I say it.



    Sure it is. The war is not going well, and AND there are rumors of a patreus run for the white house, why not put the man in charge so if things really go south, heck at least it keeps the dood out of running for the POTUS job.
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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Sure it is. The war is not going well, and AND there are rumors of a patreus run for the white house, why not put the man in charge so if things really go south, heck at least it keeps the dood out of running for the POTUS job.
    I just heard on CNBC that Patreus is takeing over for McChrystal.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I brought up someone who is a EXPERT in this area who refutes your claim. You have no expert on your side.

    You lost 3 pages ago.
    You must've missed my edit. Here's my expert:

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito schooling Tex earlier in this thread
    Edit: And you don't have to take my word for it that this is a close question (I suspect you wouldn't no matter how persuasive I argue it), so here is something from Georgetown to match your Ivy League professor:

    Could McChrystal face a court-martial?

    06/23/10: The Washington Times reports that when Gen. Stanley McChrystal shows up at the White House for his highly anticipated meeting with President Obama, he is certain to hear about his commander in chief's displeasure — and may even be fired or resign. But a close reading of military law suggests that an even more drastic remedy is theoretically available to Gen. McChrystal's superiors to punish him for denigrating senior members of the administration in interviews with Rolling Stone magazine — court-martial. Section 88 of the Uniform Military Code of Justice says that any officer who uses "contemptuous words" against the president, vice president, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, or certain other officials "shall be punished as a court martial directs."

    http://www.securitylawbrief.com/main...rtmartial.html
    BTW, your grade just got bumped down to a C for committing the fallacy of argument from authority. But I admire your tenacity! So extra credit!
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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, Obama did give Petraus hell at one time, but his replacing McChrystal with Petraus shows me that this is not some political stunt. After all, Obama does not really like Petraus that much, Liberals referred to him as "Betray us", and he was appointed by Bush. That tells me a lot about Obama. I still disagree with most everything Obama is doing, but for him to put political hackery aside, and do what he feels is in the best interests of America, I can only say this - "Well done, Mr. President".

    NOTE: I couldn't help but choke when I said this, but honesty dictates that I say it.
    To be fair, while that is a legitimate reading of it, another legitimate reading could be that Obama doesn't actually dislike Petraus and actually thinks he's a fully competent and worth while general but because he was being put in charge of a War Obama didn't agree with by a President he didn't agree with to impliment a strategy he didn't agree with to get a result he didn't agree with as being possible then Obama decided to grill him and lambast him for political points there.

    I'm not saying one is absolute truth or the other is, but your reading it could be just as easily 100% backwards as it could be correct Dana.

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You must've missed my edit. Here's my expert:

    BTW, your grade just got bumped down to a C for committing the fallacy of argument from authority. But I admire you tenacity! So extra credit!
    Your link doesn't work work and your quote doesn't include the claim you're making

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your link doesn't work work and your quote doesn't include the claim you're making
    Touche! Here you go:

    Georgetown Security Law Brief: Could McChrystal face a court-martial?

    And yes, the quote does include the claim I'm making which is that he could face a court martial for article 88 violation. QED

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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I just heard on CNBC that Patreus is takeing over for McChrystal.



    Hey, 12:30 called, they want their information back.
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    Re: McChrystal relieved of his command.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Hey, 12:30 called, they want their information back.
    I wonder what move on would say

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