Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

texmaster said:

So you've got nothing but empty claims. Got it.

Nothing in that article could identify any of the people calling as members of the tea party.

Only your own ignorenace led to that conclusion.

Well done.

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I'm telling you tex, you won't get a single rational response from this person.

Better to just ignore the noise.

scottsoperson said:

arafat always denied involvement in acts of terror by fatah.

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Still got nothing I see.

Thanks for staying predictable.

Harry Guerrilla said:

I'm telling you tex, you won't get a single rational response from this person.

Better to just ignore the noise.

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Thanks for the tip Harry. Doing that now

ok, if you say so. so arafat was not a terrorist. i see.

better to ignore me then be humiliated.

Harry Guerrilla said:

A lot of people want to be homeless, if that is their choice they must accept the consequences.
I do not wish ill on people, I wish for them to live with their choices.

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I am not talking about the people who "want" to be. I am talking about the people that wish for help. Do you want them to be homeless?

Kali said:

I am not talking about the people who "want" to be. I am talking about the people that wish for help. Do you want them to be homeless?

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I don't want anyone to be homeless if they don't want to be.

The primary thing that solves that is self determination and achievement.
Hand outs don't solve that.

danarhea said:

Look, I am not a cold-hearted person, and I know that homelessness is a problem. But I have problems of my own. So, to the Obama administration, I say this - Not on MY dime.

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What if it's cheaper then the taxes you pay to cover the costs of crime, welfare and medical to homeless?

That seems like a no-brainer. Still, the actual plan, assuming the link is correct seems like a failure from the start. Section 8 payments are not the answer. Especially when many land lords illegally deny section 8 applicants.

Obama is like Bush. Lots of promises, lots of fail.

Harry Guerrilla said:

I don't want anyone to be homeless if they don't want to be.

The primary thing that solves that is self determination and achievement.
Hand outs don't solve that.

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So we should not help people and let them stay without shelter? I ask you again: Why do you want people to be homeless? We are suppose to be the best country in the world and got people dying in the streets cause they are starving, homeless and lack medical care. Is this the kind of country you want?

I want to see a country where people have homes/shelter, clothes, food, jobs and healthcare. Dont you?

Would you not rather spend your money on worthy causes like helping people here over them spending it on stupid crap? Also how about they stop send our jobs overseas?

Kali said:

So we should not help people and let them stay without shelter? I ask you again: Why do you want people to be homeless? We are suppose to be the best country in the world and got people dying in the streets cause they are starving, homeless and lack medical care. Is this the kind of country you want?

I want to see a country where people have homes/shelter, clothes, food, jobs and healthcare. Dont you?

Would you not rather spend your money on worthy causes like helping people here over them spending it on stupid crap? Also how about they stop send our jobs overseas?

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Honestly, I think my dollars would be better spent helping children in third world countries.
I usually reserve my charitable dollars for kids, they didn't ask to be born in to the hellish conditions that they are.

Shriner's Hospital is my #1 in the states and I'm considering doing micro loans for start up businesses in 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Harry Guerrilla said:

Hand outs don't solve that.

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Well most homeless arent really lazy bums looking for handouts most of the homeless and poor are 'working poor' who work legitimate jobs but economically cannot afford homes. Possibly bad financial decisions, possibly their economic context.

BCR said:

Jesus also said to become poor if you really want to get into heaven..He was pretty admant about giving to the poor.

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Your interpretation is incorrect. Jesus never condemned rich people. His concern is for a person's heart. Where is their G-d?

From reading the posts in this thread, it's obvious that many didn't even bother to read the article. Seems to me that they are focussing mostly on homeless families rather than the chronic alcoholic/druggie. I agree that homelessness will never end--as it will always be a part of our society--so there's no doubt that Obama's plans are too ambitious. But I can also see the importance of it, and the need to at least try to reduce the numbers.

I used to have a different take on the homeless until I was educated by a friend who worked for an agency that specifically dealt with the issue. Having lived in the downtown area of my city for many years, I saw homeless everywhere. There was little doubt that they were mostly drunks and druggies who had many options to lead a different life, but chose not to. Needless to say, I had (and still do) little sympathy. However, my friend told me about a type of homelessness that was mostly out of view. These are families, who, despite having working parent(s), still could not provide all the necessities needed to fully care for themselves and their kids. Here's a paragraph from the article:

The number of families in homeless shelters jumped 7 percent by nearly 11,000 families from 2008 to 2009. Overall, family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007.

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I truly believe that if we give up on these people--who's numbers are growing at a staggering amount--then it will be the beginning of the decline of society as we know it. Trust me, I hate the fact that my hard earned tax dollars go the others that don't deserve it (able-bodied and minded welfare bums). In fact, it burns my ass. But I try to keep in mind that these programs do help those who truly need a bit of a boost in order to get themselves back on their feet. I call this philosophy, "for the greater good."

Obama vows to end homeless in ten years, what?..does Obama know something we don't, like perhaps anointing himself King, presidents are only good for 2 terms...8 years.

Many of the homeless are not simply ordinary people who are down on their luck and out of a job.

The majority of the chronically-homeless have mental problems, or addictions, or both. Many are also petty criminals, or not-so-petty ones. Simply giving them a house and finding them a job will not, in most cases, be an end to their problems. Frankly the majority probably need to be in an institution, but institutional care is very expensive.

"Ending homelessness" is right up there with "ending poverty" (poverty being relative and therefore a moving target) and "stopping global warming" (if it is even a real issue) ---- things that are beyond our power to achieve.

BCR said:

Jesus also said to become poor if you really want to get into heaven..He was pretty admant about giving to the poor.

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Gotta love it when people who hate God, hate the Bible, hate Christianity, misquote and mis-represent the Bible for their own purposes. How original.

Goshin said:

Many of the homeless are not simply ordinary people who are down on their luck and out of a job.

The majority of the chronically-homeless have mental problems, or addictions, or both. Many are also petty criminals, or not-so-petty ones. Simply giving them a house and finding them a job will not, in most cases, be an end to their problems.

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What about the ones who are not mentally ill or do not have an alcohol/drug dependence? Are you against helping them? the article states that family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007. That's a lot.

Frankly the majority probably need to be in an institution, but institutional care is very expensive.

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So what do you suggest we do as a society?

"Ending homelessness" is right up there with "ending poverty" (poverty being relative and therefore a moving target) and "stopping global warming" (if it is even a real issue) ---- things that are beyond our power to achieve.

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I'll ignore the GW comment, because it's irrelevant. While I agree that it's impossible to end, would you agree that it's possible to reduce the number is a productive way?

Goshin said:

Gotta love it when people who hate God, hate the Bible, hate Christianity, misquote and mis-represent the Bible for their own purposes. How original.

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Every denomination is guilty of misquoting the Bible to fit their agenda, it's not just the god haters.

Middleground said:

Every denomination is guilty of misquoting the Bible to fit their agenda, it's not just the god haters.

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Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular. :mrgreen:

Middleground said:

What about the ones who are not mentally ill or do not have an alcohol/drug dependence? Are you against helping them? the article states that family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007. That's a lot.



So what do you suggest we do as a society?




I'll ignore the GW comment, because it's irrelevant. While I agree that it's impossible to end, would you agree that it's possible to reduce the number is a productive way?

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I would prefer leaving that to be handled on the State level, preferably through the mechanism of private charities who typically operate at a much higher efficiency than government bureaucracies (more $ to the needy and less to overhead).

I don't see homelessness as being an issue the Constitution empowers the Fed to deal with.

Goshin said:

Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular. :mrgreen:

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... can you explain to us why denominations exist if they don't have different understandings of the Bible? Example, what is the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals and which one is right in its beliefs and why. Thank you, much appreciated.

Goshin said:

Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular. :mrgreen:

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Pretty much what Hatuey said.

A single Bible verse can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, some think the Bible says homosexuality is okay, while others think it doesn't. It's all about interpretation.

Goshin said:

I would prefer leaving that to be handled on the State level, preferably through the mechanism of private charities who typically operate at a much higher efficiency than government bureaucracies (more $ to the needy and less to overhead).

I don't see homelessness as being an issue the Constitution empowers the Fed to deal with.

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That's fine, but charities do depend on government funding.

As far as your Constitution comment, so what? Homelessness is a societal problem that needs to be addressed for the greater good of society.

Middleground said:

That's fine, but charities do depend on government funding.

As far as your Constitution comment, so what? Homelessness is a societal problem that needs to be addressed for the greater good of society.

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See, that whole "Constitution, so what?" thing is one of my big problems with so many liberals. :mrgreen:

Middleground said:

Pretty much what Hatuey said.

A single Bible verse can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, some think the Bible says homosexuality is okay, while others think it doesn't. It's all about interpretation.

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Sorry, but that is a poor example. The simplest and most direct interpretation of the verses relating to homosexuality is that it is a sin. To "interpret" otherwise requires intellectual contortions of a most extreme nature.

Point not proven. At any rate, the point under discussion was the willful or negligent misrepresentation of scripture for the purpose of advancing one's agenda, as demonstrated by the poster above.

The comment you made was so broad and generalized ("all denominations") that it is actually unproveable in the literal sense... had a comment that broad and general been made about some other class of people...say an ethnic group... it might have been construed as prejudice or outright racism. Practically any statement that broad ought to begin with the words "In my own unsupported and unproveable opinion..." :mrgreen: