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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of people want to be homeless, if that is their choice they must accept the consequences.
    I do not wish ill on people, I wish for them to live with their choices.
    I am not talking about the people who "want" to be. I am talking about the people that wish for help. Do you want them to be homeless?
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I am not talking about the people who "want" to be. I am talking about the people that wish for help. Do you want them to be homeless?
    I don't want anyone to be homeless if they don't want to be.

    The primary thing that solves that is self determination and achievement.
    Hand outs don't solve that.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Look, I am not a cold-hearted person, and I know that homelessness is a problem. But I have problems of my own. So, to the Obama administration, I say this - Not on MY dime.

    Article is here.
    What if it's cheaper then the taxes you pay to cover the costs of crime, welfare and medical to homeless?

    That seems like a no-brainer. Still, the actual plan, assuming the link is correct seems like a failure from the start. Section 8 payments are not the answer. Especially when many land lords illegally deny section 8 applicants.

    Obama is like Bush. Lots of promises, lots of fail.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't want anyone to be homeless if they don't want to be.

    The primary thing that solves that is self determination and achievement.
    Hand outs don't solve that.
    So we should not help people and let them stay without shelter? I ask you again: Why do you want people to be homeless? We are suppose to be the best country in the world and got people dying in the streets cause they are starving, homeless and lack medical care. Is this the kind of country you want?

    I want to see a country where people have homes/shelter, clothes, food, jobs and healthcare. Dont you?

    Would you not rather spend your money on worthy causes like helping people here over them spending it on stupid crap? Also how about they stop send our jobs overseas?
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    So we should not help people and let them stay without shelter? I ask you again: Why do you want people to be homeless? We are suppose to be the best country in the world and got people dying in the streets cause they are starving, homeless and lack medical care. Is this the kind of country you want?

    I want to see a country where people have homes/shelter, clothes, food, jobs and healthcare. Dont you?

    Would you not rather spend your money on worthy causes like helping people here over them spending it on stupid crap? Also how about they stop send our jobs overseas?
    Honestly, I think my dollars would be better spent helping children in third world countries.
    I usually reserve my charitable dollars for kids, they didn't ask to be born in to the hellish conditions that they are.

    Shriner's Hospital is my #1 in the states and I'm considering doing micro loans for start up businesses in 2nd and 3rd world countries.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hand outs don't solve that.
    Well most homeless arent really lazy bums looking for handouts most of the homeless and poor are 'working poor' who work legitimate jobs but economically cannot afford homes. Possibly bad financial decisions, possibly their economic context.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Jesus also said to become poor if you really want to get into heaven..He was pretty admant about giving to the poor.
    Your interpretation is incorrect. Jesus never condemned rich people. His concern is for a person's heart. Where is their G-d?


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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    From reading the posts in this thread, it's obvious that many didn't even bother to read the article. Seems to me that they are focussing mostly on homeless families rather than the chronic alcoholic/druggie. I agree that homelessness will never end--as it will always be a part of our society--so there's no doubt that Obama's plans are too ambitious. But I can also see the importance of it, and the need to at least try to reduce the numbers.

    I used to have a different take on the homeless until I was educated by a friend who worked for an agency that specifically dealt with the issue. Having lived in the downtown area of my city for many years, I saw homeless everywhere. There was little doubt that they were mostly drunks and druggies who had many options to lead a different life, but chose not to. Needless to say, I had (and still do) little sympathy. However, my friend told me about a type of homelessness that was mostly out of view. These are families, who, despite having working parent(s), still could not provide all the necessities needed to fully care for themselves and their kids. Here's a paragraph from the article:

    The number of families in homeless shelters jumped 7 percent by nearly 11,000 families from 2008 to 2009. Overall, family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007.
    I truly believe that if we give up on these people--who's numbers are growing at a staggering amount--then it will be the beginning of the decline of society as we know it. Trust me, I hate the fact that my hard earned tax dollars go the others that don't deserve it (able-bodied and minded welfare bums). In fact, it burns my ass. But I try to keep in mind that these programs do help those who truly need a bit of a boost in order to get themselves back on their feet. I call this philosophy, "for the greater good."
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Obama vows to end homeless in ten years, what?..does Obama know something we don't, like perhaps anointing himself King, presidents are only good for 2 terms...8 years.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Many of the homeless are not simply ordinary people who are down on their luck and out of a job.

    The majority of the chronically-homeless have mental problems, or addictions, or both. Many are also petty criminals, or not-so-petty ones. Simply giving them a house and finding them a job will not, in most cases, be an end to their problems. Frankly the majority probably need to be in an institution, but institutional care is very expensive.

    "Ending homelessness" is right up there with "ending poverty" (poverty being relative and therefore a moving target) and "stopping global warming" (if it is even a real issue) ---- things that are beyond our power to achieve.

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