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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Let me clarify - you're correct in that we don't have the money, yet the existing White House DOES have the money for what they deem important. This is further evidence that what the WH thinks is worth spending money we do not have, is not the same as what the American people think. Iraq, Afghanistan, the U.S. border and illegals are all non-social / domestic issues. This President I now think, IS in fact an Ideologue in that, he will make claims about our economy, it's unsustainability, we all have to tighten our belts --- and then he'll turn around and spend trillions on healthcare and social programs and make naive statements about ending homelessness. It's why he has to go next election.
    I might have suggested BEFORE the next election, but considering the alternatives..................................

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    there is a difference between a homeless person and a wino under a bridge........that wino under the bridge is doing what he wants where he wants to do it, and as mentioned before, some folks just prefer to live that way, on the streets......just like some folks choose not to have health insurance
    Most people who "choose" not to have health insurance do it because they cannot afford health insurance, not unless they want to join the homeless population.

    Instead of attempting to rationalize why we should not give everybody health insurance, and using "weasel words" in the process, we should be honest by giving an honest answer. My honest answer is that I don't want the government taking money out of MY pocket and giving it to someone else. Let my charity be MINE, should I choose it, not someone else's. And this is what it all really boils down to. Government wants to be the Ghost of Christmas "Presents". I would rather the government be Scrooge, and let me decide on my own whether or not I want to be Santa Claus. LOL.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Look, I am not a cold-hearted person, and I know that homelessness is a problem. But I have problems of my own. So, to the Obama administration, I say this - Not on MY dime.
    The US lavishes money on so many other countries and causes. What is the point in this, if it does not look after its own people first. There should be no homelessness, in a country as wealthy as the US is.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Studies have been done, and it is more cost efficient to put one person in an 'apartment' with electricity running water etc.. than to pay for a handful to live in a shelter. The chronic homeless are the ones who cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands every year in medical expenses.
    Maybe many homeless people need the support of a community. They are often homeless for a reason, and would likely become homeless again within a short time, if left to their own devices in an appartment. I think, some need to live in an institution to get help for their addictions and social problems, or in a shelter where security guards and counsellors are available to deal with their traumas.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Jesus taught us to help the poor. Giving stuff away simply creates dependency.
    Not much kindness and charity was shown to the poor in US society, in the 80s, and it created horrendous social problems, with increases in crime, addictions...

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    Not much kindness and charity was shown to the poor in US society, in the 80s, and it created horrendous social problems, with increases in crime, addictions...
    I don't know if that's true... what's your point?

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Providing for others is a humanitarian activity that is actually engaged by many of those Christian people you denigrate.
    Providing for the vulnerable is part of what is it means to live in a civilized society. Those who do not agree with it, could maybe move to Somalia or someplace like that, to avoid it.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    I don't know if that's true... what's your point?
    My point is that not taking care of the homeless situation will ultimately cost tax payers money. Not taking care of the situation is not really going to prevent taxes, or reduce them. One way or another, people with problems cost money, so the money might as well be spent on rehabilitating them.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Mell View Post
    My point is that not taking care of the homeless situation will ultimately cost tax payers money. Not taking care of the situation is not really going to prevent taxes, or reduce them. One way or another, people with problems cost money, so the money might as well be spent on rehabilitating them.
    How is that position different than mine? Is it supposed to be?

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Most people who "choose" not to have health insurance do it because they cannot afford health insurance, not unless they want to join the homeless population.

    Instead of attempting to rationalize why we should not give everybody health insurance, and using "weasel words" in the process, we should be honest by giving an honest answer. My honest answer is that I don't want the government taking money out of MY pocket and giving it to someone else. Let my charity be MINE, should I choose it, not someone else's. And this is what it all really boils down to. Government wants to be the Ghost of Christmas "Presents". I would rather the government be Scrooge, and let me decide on my own whether or not I want to be Santa Claus. LOL.
    I just want to thank you for saying this. I had a debate with someone awhile ago about this same thing. Now while I am fine with the health care bill, I understand where you are coming from, and I pretty much phrased it the same way you just did and they got offended and said something like "hey I care about the other people as much as myself, I just don't want the healthbill for their own good". So although we disagree I would like to say how much respect I have for you coming out and saying this.

    Anywho... I don't think ending homelessness or even trying to is in our best interest, there are too many things to be taken care of beforehand. And i am not sure if it is possible.

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