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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Actually with the glut of homes due to the Barny Frank disaster this goal just might be achievable, if only temporarily. Folks that can't maintain themselves won't be able to maintain their homes regardless of whether they paid for them or not.
    They could already solve the 'homeless' situation in Detroit...just let them move into those vacant burned out bombed out hulls of house and apartment complex. Who needs running water or electricity...just an old discraded mattress...a cardboard box to set up your kit and a roof over your head while you shoot up...

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They could already solve the 'homeless' situation in Detroit...just let them move into those vacant burned out bombed out hulls of house and apartment complex. Who needs running water or electricity...just an old discraded mattress...a cardboard box to set up your kit and a roof over your head while you shoot up...
    I was thinking of central Florida where in the last ten years thousands of acres of forest were leveled and condos built. Many of those were purchased sight unseen by buyers speculating the market due to the easy HUD cash. Now most of them are vacant.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    This is sort of out of left field, so I'm wondering whether it's a serious priority or simply a lofty goal followed by study groups and committee reports. He can't possibly think that there's any chance of actually ending homelessness.

    Back in 2002, Bush announced an effort to reduce chronic homelessness. The program cut the number of chronically homeless from 156k to 111k, but that's not really close to "ending" it. Obama's program will likely end in the same way. It might even be harder if the Bush program picked the low hanging fruit.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    I was thinking of central Florida where in the last ten years thousands of acres of forest were leveled and condos built. Many of those were purchased sight unseen by buyers speculating the market due to the easy HUD cash. Now most of them are vacant.
    The problem with giving away homes and housing is that it tends to gather a lot of rather desperate people in environments where they easily prey on each other. As a 'solution'...well...it certainly is 'out of sight, out of mind'...but it makes for a miserable living existence not just for the individual but for generations of individuals. It becomes a perpetual nightmare. Roosevelt was smart enough to see it...I dont know why the current generation of politicians isnt. Oh...wait...I do. Roosevelts vision was a hand-up. The modern politician likes those people to remain crippled and dependent voters.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The problem with giving away homes and housing is that it tends to gather a lot of rather desperate people in environments where they easily prey on each other. As a 'solution'...well...it certainly is 'out of sight, out of mind'...but it makes for a miserable living existence not just for the individual but for generations of individuals. It becomes a perpetual nightmare. Roosevelt was smart enough to see it...I dont know why the current generation of politicians isnt. Oh...wait...I do. Roosevelts vision was a hand-up. The modern politician likes those people to remain crippled and dependent voters.
    I agree. My post that you quoted is in the context of post 10.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Hang on, sorry but I have to point out some hypocrisy here. I'm not following the whole republican backlash. They don't support Gay marriage or abortion because it conflicts with what is taught in the Holy Bible but somebody proposes a plan on a problem Jesus spent much of his life teaching about. Helping the poor and homeless, so why do you guys throw the Bible out in this instance?

    Sure it will cost money but Jesus said if you truly want to go to heaven give away all your belongings and live as a poor man.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Hang on, sorry but I have to point out some hypocrisy here. I'm not following the whole republican backlash. They don't support Gay marriage or abortion because it conflicts with what is taught in the Holy Bible but somebody proposes a plan on a problem Jesus spent much of his life teaching about. Helping the poor and homeless, so why do you guys throw the Bible out in this instance?

    Sure it will cost money but Jesus said if you truly want to go to heaven give away all your belongings and live as a poor man.
    Jesus taught us to help the poor. Giving stuff away simply creates dependency.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Look, I am not a cold-hearted person, and I know that homelessness is a problem. But I have problems of my own. So, to the Obama administration, I say this - Not on MY dime.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Hang on, sorry but I have to point out some hypocrisy here. I'm not following the whole republican backlash. They don't support Gay marriage or abortion because it conflicts with what is taught in the Holy Bible but somebody proposes a plan on a problem Jesus spent much of his life teaching about. Helping the poor and homeless, so why do you guys throw the Bible out in this instance?
    I don't think anyone's saying we're against helping the poor or homeless. Many already do. We're saying that no one can "end homelessness" - even Jesus didn't. Why are we thinking Obama can? It's naivite and silliness. The Bible also teaches about man's free will. If I'm free to be homeless, who is Jesus or Obama to tell me I cannot be?
    This is more utopian BS that we're fed all the time. If there was a way to do it, it was have been done by now - OR - Jesus would have done it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Sure it will cost money but Jesus said if you truly want to go to heaven give away all your belongings and live as a poor man.
    We don't have the money. You're free to give all your belongings away and live poor. Free will.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Then I'll say it. It can't be done, neither can attaining zero poor people. This is more silliness by academic types who can accept an imperfect world.
    Did you mean 'who cannot accept an imperfect World'?

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