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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No let them grow food on land which is not and has never been used and is illegitimately claimed by the Federal and State governments.
    I'm curious. What "lands" are you talking about, exactly?

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Since you like living in the U.S.A.? Well that comes with it-we try to help each other out here.
    Yes we do, but not through government coersion.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Excatly. Let 'em starve to death if they cannot afford to feed themselves.

    The United States will continue being the country that it is. OR will it?
    What would have happened to "bums" in 1780? In 1880? The answer is it always WAS that way. The question isn't will the country continue to be what it is, the question is, what is this country turning into where we are taxed to be our brothers keeper. I see freedom cutting both ways - it allows you to be all you want to or aspire to be, and it will also allow you to be the lowest and least you want to be as well.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    #1 Buy up all the wine and drugs in the world #2 Invent a time machine and change the way their patrents raised them. #3 Make them all A students #4 Make them give a ****. #5 Make them good concerned, loyal citizens #6 Give them all poison and force them to eat it. What's next Obammy, eliminate all worrying!!??
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    I'm curious. What "lands" are you talking about, exactly?
    Any and all Federal and State lands which they have not used and are not using (I would add "all Federal and State lands period" but that's another discussion for another time), most if not all land currently "owned" by the Federal and State governments was acquired illegitimately, the only way for property to be originally appropriated is to mix ones labour with the land, first come first serve, but rather the Federal and State governments simply declared the land to be theirs. This is what we call the homestead principle.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you want to exercise a right, it is up to -you- to provide the means to do so.
    The state stands adamantly opposed to exercising certain rights, for example they throw out every pitfall they can think of to make it nearly impossible for the average citizen to own property without incurring a huge amount of debt and agreeing to pay exorbitant property taxes for the rest of their lives or for how ever long until they decide to transfer ownership of the property. Christ it's to the point where you can't cut down a tree on your own property without a permit let alone build your own home.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Any and all Federal and State lands which they have not used and are not using
    Interesting idea, one that sounds somewhat reasonable on its face.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    most if not all land currently "owned" by the Federal and State governments was acquired illegitimately
    It was acquired by human conquest. Most if not all land currently "owned" by every nation wasn't theirs to begin with.

    Shall we give it all back to Lucy?

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Interesting idea, one that sounds somewhat reasonable on its face.



    It was acquired by human conquest. Most if not all land currently "owned" by every nation wasn't theirs to begin with.

    Shall we give it all back to Lucy?
    Rothbard says: "It is not enough to call simply for defense of "the rights of private property"; there must be an adequate theory of justice in property rights, else any property that some State once decreed to be "private" must now be defended by libertarians, no matter how unjust the procedure or how mischievous its consequences."

    In "Justice and Property Rights," he says:

    "All existing property titles may be considered just under the homestead principle, provided a) that there may never be any property in people; (b) that the existing property owner did not himself steal the property; and particularly (c) that any identifiable owner (the original victim of theft or his heir) must be accorded his property" (in Justice and Property Rights)

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    People can help, churches can help, nonprofits can help, government can even do a tiny portion, but how exactly can I say that the homeless should not take primary responsibility? These avenues can not help everyone, and perhaps not even enough for them to not need to make any effort. If there is one thing in life that is true: you have to help yourself. You cannot depend on people, because even if we ignore that it is degrading, eroding of personal worth and so on, the person can get burned by trying to depend on others.

    Your ideals are dream-like, not reality-based.
    The reality is that I am living in the best country in the World but yet people wish to block helping out their fellow mankind. You may say I am a dreamer but I am not the only one and one day I hope people like you will join me in my thinking. Thanks John Lennon.

    Really some are so heartless and the things I speak of can become a reality if more people were not so selfish and greedy. It disgust me how greedy people are and care more about getting their next Starbucks rather than helping to feed a family in need a meal
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The responsibility for putting a roof over a bum's head, lies with the bum.

    If someone else WANTS to help the bum, that's his choice in a free country. But don't try to impose your misconception that the housing of complete strangers is the responsibility of the US taxpayer, cuz it ain't.
    Just your use of the word bum shows is proof I need not waste my time talking to the likes of you. Fairwell!
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