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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Look, I am not a cold-hearted person, and I know that homelessness is a problem. But I have problems of my own. So, to the Obama administration, I say this - Not on MY dime.

    Article is here.
    We can end homelessness right now, allow people to homestead land which is not and has never been used by the Federal and state governments, but of course they don't really want to end homelessness not if it would entail ending property taxes, ending building permit and licensing requirements, and giving up the land that they have absolutely no rightful claim over. So rather than increase liberty and actually solve a problem for once they will instead decrease liberty and increase their own authority to steal the capital created through the labour of the individual and never actually solve the problem.

    Such is the way of the world.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Since you like living in the U.S.A.? Well that comes with it-we try to help each other out here.
    Because I like living in the United States, I took the time to read the Constitution.

    Gee, that doesn't say a single damned thing about me being responsible to provide some bum with a roof.

    If you care about them, use your own money.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Where does the responsibility lie on this issue? And please do not say on the people that are homeless.
    The responsibility for putting a roof over a bum's head, lies with the bum.

    If someone else WANTS to help the bum, that's his choice in a free country. But don't try to impose your misconception that the housing of complete strangers is the responsibility of the US taxpayer, cuz it ain't.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Because I like living in the United States, I took the time to read the Constitution.

    Gee, that doesn't say a single damned thing about me being responsible to provide some bum with a roof.

    If you care about them, use your own money.
    Excatly. Let 'em starve to death if they cannot afford to feed themselves.

    The United States will continue being the country that it is. OR will it?
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Excatly. Let 'em starve to death if they cannot afford to feed themselves.
    No let them grow food on land which is not and has never been used and is illegitimately claimed by the Federal and State governments. Original appropriation can only be obtained through the investment of labour.

    The United States will continue being the country that it is. OR will it?

    “Though the earth and all inferior creatures be common to all men, yet every man has a "property" in his own "person." This nobody has any right to but himself. The "labour" of his body and the "work" of his hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever, then, he removes out of the state that Nature hath provided and left it in, he hath mixed his labour with it, and joined to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his property."
    John Locke 2nd Treatise of Government
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No let them grow food on land which is not and has never been used and is illegitimately claimed by the Federal and State governments. Original appropriation can only be obtained through the investment of labour.




    Though the earth and all inferior creatures be common to all men, yet every man has a "property" in his own "person." This nobody has any right to but himself. The "labour" of his body and the "work" of his hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever, then, he removes out of the state that Nature hath provided and left it in, he hath mixed his labour with it, and joined to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his property."
    John Locke 2nd Treatise of Government
    So your answer is to let them grow gardens wherever they please. M'kay.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So your answer is to let them grow gardens wherever they please. M'kay.
    No my answer is to allow them to acquire original appropriation of property through the investment of labour into land with no legitimate owner. I mean we wouldn't want to take a play from the book which inspired the Declaration of Independence, increase liberty, and actually solve the problem, rather we should increase state authority to engage in theft and redistribution of capital thereby decreasing liberty and not solve the problem anyways. In that way we can insure that "[t]he United States will continue being the country that it is," and not the country which it could be.

    Of course this is unacceptable to statists as it would entail actually giving people a chance to become self reliant which could threaten to end their dependency on state masters for their daily subsistence.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Hang on, sorry but I have to point out some hypocrisy here. I'm not following the whole republican backlash. They don't support Gay marriage or abortion because it conflicts with what is taught in the Holy Bible but somebody proposes a plan on a problem Jesus spent much of his life teaching about. Helping the poor and homeless, so why do you guys throw the Bible out in this instance?

    Sure it will cost money but Jesus said if you truly want to go to heaven give away all your belongings and live as a poor man.
    Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

    Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
    Confused yet?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Since you like living in the U.S.A.?
    Show how living in the USA makes it my responsibility to provide other people the means to exercise their rights.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Where does the responsibility lie on this issue?
    If you want to exercise a right, it is up to -you- to provide the means to do so.

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