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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

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    Jesus also said to become poor if you really want to get into heaven..He was pretty admant about giving to the poor.

    Gotta love it when people who hate God, hate the Bible, hate Christianity, misquote and mis-represent the Bible for their own purposes. How original.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Many of the homeless are not simply ordinary people who are down on their luck and out of a job.

    The majority of the chronically-homeless have mental problems, or addictions, or both. Many are also petty criminals, or not-so-petty ones. Simply giving them a house and finding them a job will not, in most cases, be an end to their problems.
    What about the ones who are not mentally ill or do not have an alcohol/drug dependence? Are you against helping them? the article states that family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007. That's a lot.

    Frankly the majority probably need to be in an institution, but institutional care is very expensive.
    So what do you suggest we do as a society?

    "Ending homelessness" is right up there with "ending poverty" (poverty being relative and therefore a moving target) and "stopping global warming" (if it is even a real issue) ---- things that are beyond our power to achieve.

    I'll ignore the GW comment, because it's irrelevant. While I agree that it's impossible to end, would you agree that it's possible to reduce the number is a productive way?
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Gotta love it when people who hate God, hate the Bible, hate Christianity, misquote and mis-represent the Bible for their own purposes. How original.
    Every denomination is guilty of misquoting the Bible to fit their agenda, it's not just the god haters.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Every denomination is guilty of misquoting the Bible to fit their agenda, it's not just the god haters.
    Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What about the ones who are not mentally ill or do not have an alcohol/drug dependence? Are you against helping them? the article states that family homelessness was up 30 percent in 2009 from 2007. That's a lot.



    So what do you suggest we do as a society?




    I'll ignore the GW comment, because it's irrelevant. While I agree that it's impossible to end, would you agree that it's possible to reduce the number is a productive way?

    I would prefer leaving that to be handled on the State level, preferably through the mechanism of private charities who typically operate at a much higher efficiency than government bureaucracies (more $ to the needy and less to overhead).

    I don't see homelessness as being an issue the Constitution empowers the Fed to deal with.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular.
    ... can you explain to us why denominations exist if they don't have different understandings of the Bible? Example, what is the difference between Methodists and Pentecostals and which one is right in its beliefs and why. Thank you, much appreciated.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Please prove that statement, with evidence. I will not hold you to "all denominations", but let's say merely the 20 most popular.
    Pretty much what Hatuey said.

    A single Bible verse can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, some think the Bible says homosexuality is okay, while others think it doesn't. It's all about interpretation.
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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would prefer leaving that to be handled on the State level, preferably through the mechanism of private charities who typically operate at a much higher efficiency than government bureaucracies (more $ to the needy and less to overhead).

    I don't see homelessness as being an issue the Constitution empowers the Fed to deal with.
    That's fine, but charities do depend on government funding.

    As far as your Constitution comment, so what? Homelessness is a societal problem that needs to be addressed for the greater good of society.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    That's fine, but charities do depend on government funding.

    As far as your Constitution comment, so what? Homelessness is a societal problem that needs to be addressed for the greater good of society.

    See, that whole "Constitution, so what?" thing is one of my big problems with so many liberals.

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    Re: Obama vows to end homelessness in 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Pretty much what Hatuey said.

    A single Bible verse can be interpreted in many different ways. For instance, some think the Bible says homosexuality is okay, while others think it doesn't. It's all about interpretation.

    Sorry, but that is a poor example. The simplest and most direct interpretation of the verses relating to homosexuality is that it is a sin. To "interpret" otherwise requires intellectual contortions of a most extreme nature.

    Point not proven. At any rate, the point under discussion was the willful or negligent misrepresentation of scripture for the purpose of advancing one's agenda, as demonstrated by the poster above.

    The comment you made was so broad and generalized ("all denominations") that it is actually unproveable in the literal sense... had a comment that broad and general been made about some other class of people...say an ethnic group... it might have been construed as prejudice or outright racism. Practically any statement that broad ought to begin with the words "In my own unsupported and unproveable opinion..."
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