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Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

McChrystal seems just like any other person...shooting his mouth off behind others' back. It's what everyone else does isn't it?
Criticizing civilian leadership (if you can call it that) from many soldiers point of view is a past time in and of itself. Of course they're going to tell each other how so-and-so has their head up their ass, etc... BUT, that ends when it comes to the press or to your superiors. Yes the entire military does it at, I would suppose, all levels. But it stays close to the vest and one doesn't let it get out of hand or this is what happens.
 
Sing, baby sing! Tell us now what REALLY is up with this president!

Funny how nobody is blaming RS magazine for doing this. They know they shouldn't be talking to a commander, much less interviewing him about this kind of stuff. Shame on RS and I will burn every issue of their magazine I come into contact with from now until the end of time.

**** you Rolling Stones mag.
 
Sing, baby sing! Tell us now what REALLY is up with this president!

Funny how nobody is blaming RS magazine for doing this. They know they shouldn't be talking to a commander, much less interviewing him about this kind of stuff. Shame on RS and I will burn every issue of their magazine I come into contact with from now until the end of time.

**** you Rolling Stones mag.

This is totally not RS fault. McChrystal and his staff knew who they were, that they were there and knew what they were saying. You can't fault them for reporting what happened or what was said unless RS misquoted or made up some of the story.
 
What would you have said if he's simply sacked him without checking with him personally as he has just done? I for one would prefer someone looks me in the eye and sack me than do it via phone / letter or text message.


What do you mean?




I suspect the US military isn't that different in principle to the UK military and any senior British officer who mocked his country's elected leader should be held responsible. There are ways to get a message that you're unhappy across - and that doesn't include a public interview with a magazine like Rolling Stone.

I've already addressed this.


by the way, what exactly did mcchrystal say anyway?
 
What changed besides his being elected? honestly I think its typical dirty pool politics. Obama ain't the only one. :shrug:




At what point in the video does he call Patreaus a failure?

I agree that Obama is a politician.
 
So he didn't call him a failure. That's just your spin on it.




Quite possibly. Or I was playing with my new iphone and only been half payin attention to my posting... :shrug: :mrgreen:



Obama called the war a failure and rudlley drilled patreaus, I believe it was hillary who called him a liar, the contempt for patreus back during the bush admin by these usual suspects seems to have simply vanished....


it's shameful to be that much of a two sided mouth speaker. And no Obama is not the only one.
 
Perhaps he exhausted them. :shrug:

Possibly. Perhaps also McChrystal is seen as loose tongued - some non-US articles say the Rolling Stone Article is not the first such incident and he's also supposed to have leaked secret CIA information at a London speech.

Maybe despite any wrongs and faults Obama may have - this is a man out of control?

This is not the first time McChrystal has stepped out of line. He was seen as using a speech where he spoke of "chaosistan" to box the president in, and force him to send more troops to Afghanistan.

He was given a presidential telling-off in Air Force One in Copenhagen.
BBC Reporter Blog

What do you mean?

I was simply responding to your comment about Obama's immaturity. The 1 hour stop over you later referred to near Germany is seen in other quarters as the first time Obama had to dress McChrystal down - the BBC reporter said in his Blog and on BBC news just now that it was a "Presidential telling off near Copenhagen"

For further clarification - Obama spoke face to face with McChrystal on both occasions and I'm simply saying what I mean - I'd personally prefer someone told me face to face rather than sack me from halfway across the world.

-- by the way, what exactly did mcchrystal say anyway?

Well... there's a Rolling Stone article that seems to have gotten him in trouble. :lol:

I'm guessing if he didn't say anything at all about the Vice President or Jack Jones or any others of the US Govt - then he could comfortably sue the Rolling Stone for false reporting / libel and live in comfort for the rest of his life. Anyhow - McChrystal didn't specifically refer to Obama but his position as head to the aides that actually did reminds me of the old "buck stops here" comment.

Finally, for clarification - I referenced "a senior British Officer" in my post if it's important for you to prove that I did or didn't accuse McChrystal himself of saying anything specific about the President.
 
What changed besides his being elected? honestly I think its typical dirty pool politics. Obama ain't the only one. :shrug:




One thing I find amusing about this video is that the then Senator Obama felt uncomfortable saying "Kicking Ass" when talking about armed combatants. He spelled it out instead.
 
Ahhh, a video of The Empty Suit.
 
Possibly. Perhaps also McChrystal is seen as loose tongued - some non-US articles say the Rolling Stone Article is not the first such incident and he's also supposed to have leaked secret CIA information at a London speech.

Maybe despite any wrongs and faults Obama may have - this is a man out of control?





I was simply responding to your comment about Obama's immaturity. The 1 hour stop over you later referred to near Germany is seen in other quarters as the first time Obama had to dress McChrystal down - the BBC reporter said in his Blog and on BBC news just now that it was a "Presidential telling off near Copenhagen"

For further clarification - Obama spoke face to face with McChrystal on both occasions and I'm simply saying what I mean - I'd personally prefer someone told me face to face rather than sack me from halfway across the world.



Well... there's a Rolling Stone article that seems to have gotten him in trouble. :lol:

I'm guessing if he didn't say anything at all about the Vice President or Jack Jones or any others of the US Govt - then he could comfortably sue the Rolling Stone for false reporting / libel and live in comfort for the rest of his life. Anyhow - McChrystal didn't specifically refer to Obama but his position as head to the aides that actually did reminds me of the old "buck stops here" comment.

Finally, for clarification - I referenced "a senior British Officer" in my post if it's important for you to prove that I did or didn't accuse McChrystal himself of saying anything specific about the President.



What does it say though, that if its about war, a tarmac and an hour will do, several months later, and only twice since taking office, vs. an almost immediate response to being "dissed"? Obama is a man child.
 
What does it say though, that if its about war, a tarmac and an hour will do, several months later, and only twice since taking office, vs. an almost immediate response to being "dissed"? Obama is a man child.

You must have missed out on some of the new technology available. I mean, phones, radios, video conferencing makes it so face to face matings are not really that big a deal.
 
You must have missed out on some of the new technology available. I mean, phones, radios, video conferencing makes it so face to face matings are not really that big a deal.


I have video conferencing with my employees, several out of state. I see them more than McChrystal saw Obama.... Face time is not replaceable by technology. It shows an appearance of not caring. Especially if you are potus.

If this was the case. Firing surely could have been done via teleconference.... I guess dissing the prez is more important than the war... :shrug:
 
Quite possibly. Or I was playing with my new iphone and only been half payin attention to my posting... :shrug: :mrgreen:



Obama called the war a failure and rudlley drilled patreaus, I believe it was hillary who called him a liar, the contempt for patreus back during the bush admin by these usual suspects seems to have simply vanished....


it's shameful to be that much of a two sided mouth speaker. And no Obama is not the only one.

You need to actually do something original and watch the video. Obama specifically states(twice) that the problems in Iraq are not the fault of the military or Patraeus, but of the overal strategy from the white house. There is no "grilling", there is asking one reasonable question which the Ambassador answered. There was exactly no rudeness at all.

Watching videos before posting them will save you a world of embarrassment.
 
I have video conferencing with my employees, several out of state. I see them more than McChrystal saw Obama.... Face time is not replaceable by technology. It shows an appearance of not caring. Especially if you are potus.

If this was the case. Firing surely could have been done via teleconference.... I guess dissing the prez is more important than the war... :shrug:

You are not the president, so it's a non relevant comparison. There was no reason to fire him by video conference when he would still have to leave Afghanistan and come back to the US. You know that the issue is bigger than "dissing the prez", you are just spinning things to score points.
 
You need to actually do something original and watch the video. Obama specifically states(twice) that the problems in Iraq are not the fault of the military or Patraeus, but of the overal strategy from the white house. There is no "grilling", there is asking one reasonable question which the Ambassador answered. There was exactly no rudeness at all.


How many times did he let Patreus speak?

And..... Why would he be bitching (starting around 2:46), about Bush to the General. Makes little sense...


Watching videos before posting them will save you a world of embarrassment.


Right, and your true believer partisan hack mentality could use a breather so as not to start with the personal attacks before realizing the other posters point. :shrug:
 
You are not the president, so it's a non relevant comparison. There was no reason to fire him by video conference when he would still have to leave Afghanistan and come back to the US. You know that the issue is bigger than "dissing the prez", you are just spinning things to score points.





Score points?


lets see... administration of the war and generals, take your time, video confencing..


Dissing the prez, immediate face time....


Sorry you see a disconnect. If Bush had done this, I'd feel the same way. :shrug:
 
How many times did he let Patreus speak?

And..... Why would he be bitching (starting around 2:46), about Bush to the General. Makes little sense...

He was doing what every one does in high profile congressional hearings. He was basically making a speech. What he was not doing was "grilling" Patraeus, or being rude to him, or treating him unfairly, or anything else you want to spin it as.


Right, and your true believer partisan hack mentality could use a breather so as not to start with the personal attacks before realizing the other posters point. :shrug:

The irony here is hilarious.
 
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