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Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

If the article is accurate, he should be fired for conduct unbecoming an Officer. You don't air dirty laundry about the Chain of Command... some of that stuff reads like high school level drama llama crap.

However, I think it also says a lot about Obama's Admin and the failures of proper leadership going on there. If half of what they said is true, the WH is seriously dysfunctional.

agreed, McChrystal has done three stupid things

1) He voted for a moron like Obama who clearly was the worst choice of the two candidates to be CiC

2) He gave an interview with a magazine that is a well known hotbed of anti military moonbats

3) he talked out of school

Now if he didn't want having as his superior a bunch of leftwing idiots he should have resigned
 
2) He gave an interview with a magazine that is a well known hotbed of anti military moonbats

This part surprised me as well. If you're going to talk **** about Obama, that's one thing. If you're going to do it in front of a reporter, that's another. But a reporter for Rolling Stone, to whom he apparently granted substantial access?

Was the reporter from The Daily Worker sick?
 
I guess that's why I'm not much of a fan of military procedure, it needs to be more flexible when there are loose links.

The concept of the chain of command did not happen by accident. It is there for a good reason. Each step up the chain of command has more responsibilities, and the step before is to weed out those things that the next step should not, and does not have time to handle.
 
The concept of the chain of command did not happen by accident. It is there for a good reason. Each step up the chain of command has more responsibilities, and the step before is to weed out those things that the next step should not, and does not have time to handle.

I understand, I think that there should be more room for criticism when time allows.
 
I understand, I think that there should be more room for criticism when time allows.

The ability to get criticism up the chain of command is there. It is just not unlimited, or the people higher in the chain would be dealing with stupid **** continuously.
 
So most of the conservatives in this thread are saying "Well he shouldn't have done that BUT IT SHOWS THERES A PROBLEM..."

I bet if someone in 2004 had done this, they'd be screaming for his head, calling him a traitor.

And if someone had done this in 2004, the Libbos would have been applauding his patriotism and courage, calling for the president to be impeached, on that man's word, alone. And please, don't insult everyone's intelligence by saying, "nuh-uh!", or that you would be the loan Leftist voice of reason.
 
Some things in our world are really not that complex. This is one of them.

McChrystal made a major error in judgment. He must go. Suspect that his successor will be a lot more conscious of appropriate protocol.....



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Yep. His ass is gone and rightfully so. What in the world was he thinking? :(
 
Fire him. Clearly mcchrystal doesn't believe in his strat and he's trying to bail out by making obvious statements that will remove him from his position. Further the US needs to cut military spending.. that is all.
 
Yep. His ass is gone and rightfully so. What in the world was he thinking? :(


In a quick glance, and considering comments like this one, it would seem that everyone is taking for granted that Rolling Stone is printing the complete truth in context. If that is the case, I didn't see much that was directly attributed to McChrystal.


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I understand, I think that there should be more room for criticism when time allows.

I agree, but not in public.
That is dangerous. I think the line drawn is the correct one.

That said, the article was a fascinating peek behind the scenes of the highest level of military & civilian leadership dealing with crisis, and contrasting it to the men in the trenches.

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Well - shock to all - I don't agree with this whole issue.

If Obama can say and do all that he's said and done then McChrystal should be able to voice his opinion. Yeah, sure, it was fool hearty - but still within his rights.
They hired him on to do a job and then blocked him from doing that job - and now have turned completely against him simply because they're not in the same boat.

Obama's a hypocritical bitch. At least McChrystal's capable of being honest! It's not like he divulged top-secret information, honestly. . . what's the phrase? "No harm, no foul"
 
While I think it's a terrible shame, I think he must resign. I don't think it will be easy to replace him, he enjoys a great rapport with his troops and with the Afghanistan government. Unfortunately, criticizing your boss when you are in the military is much more serious than in the civilian world.

This incident reminds of something I read posted here (somewhere) about how much better President Obama is at listening to his Generals regarding what they are expert at, than was President Bush. If that were true, would the number one guy in Afghanistan be criticizing his boss?
 
I think he was really frustrated.... Remember this is the man who told Obama he needed more troops, only to have Obama fiddle with the decision for what 11 months before he gave him a fraction of the troops requested?

This is also the man who has a CiC who won't use the words "war on terror" "victory" "terrorists" etc.

Instead we have "overseas contingency operations" and "man caused disasters"....


The real tragedy of this story is not the Generals speaking out of school on the President, but the fact that people aren't talking about the rest of the article.
 
I think he was really frustrated.... Remember this is the man who told Obama he needed more troops, only to have Obama fiddle with the decision for what 11 months before he gave him a fraction of the troops requested?

This is also the man who has a CiC who won't use the words "war on terror" "victory" "terrorists" etc.

Instead we have "overseas contingency operations" and "man caused disasters"....


The real tragedy of this story is not the Generals speaking out of school on the President, but the fact that people aren't talking about the rest of the article.

Obama's a damned man caused disaster, that's for freaking certain.
 
Well - shock to all - I don't agree with this whole issue.

If Obama can say and do all that he's said and done then McChrystal should be able to voice his opinion. Yeah, sure, it was fool hearty - but still within his rights.
They hired him on to do a job and then blocked him from doing that job - and now have turned completely against him simply because they're not in the same boat.

Obama's a hypocritical bitch. At least McChrystal's capable of being honest! It's not like he divulged top-secret information, honestly. . . what's the phrase? "No harm, no foul"




I agree with this. Even though what the General did was against the rules here and he should account for it. Its simply a sign of immaturity how Obama has reacted. It is further telling how serious Obama cares for this war, when it took him how long to meet with McChrystal the 1st time, and what was it for 1 hr on a stop over to Germany?

But ohhh wait, McChrystal dares speak out of turn about Obama, and he MUST attend the next meeting in person and Obama's people are cackling how firing is not off the table....


This Administration is getting sicker by the day.
 
So most of the conservatives in this thread are saying "Well he shouldn't have done that BUT IT SHOWS THERES A PROBLEM..."

I bet if someone in 2004 had done this, they'd be screaming for his head, calling him a traitor.





2 things hoss...


1. Is there not a "problem"

2. and no, that was the left. "General Betrayus"....
 
published comments by the general and his staff shattered White House confidence in the command overseeing a war effort plagued by slow progress and increasing casualties.

Obama is directly the one who waffled on a variety of issues and failed to make any decision. . . yet they'll pass the blame onto McChrystal when THEY were the ones who failed to follow his advice?

= Hypocrisy

The president added that the article, in Rolling Stone magazine, showed "poor judgment" on the general's part.

Tell us what you really think!
"Acted Stupidly" was probably on the tip of his tongue, here.

= Hypocrisy: the president Criticizing the General because the General criticized the President.
Me thinks that if Sedition could be waged, here, Obama would wage it.

For Obama, firing McChrystal would be the surest way to address signs of insubordination from the military and public perceptions of White House weakness.

:censored (That's what Obama should exercise)

But removing McChrystal would force the administration to find another general to take charge of the problem-plagued war and could jeopardize the administration's timetable for showing progress in the field and reducing the size of Western forces.

I think this is what Obama was going for all this time - pressuring McChrystal to quite, really, by making his work-environment uncomfortable, at the least - which, as we discussed in another thread is actually illegal.

McChrystal offered a public apology Tuesday. He also met with Karzai, Holbrooke and Eikenberry and privately apologized.

This apology was undoubtedly bull**** and empty - and unnecessary.
I think, after all this crap has come undone, McChrystal earns the right to tell the President to go **** Himself to his face.

They refused to come to an agreement EYE TO EYE with McChrystal and now they're running his underwear up the flagpole.

Obama, who has not served in the military, has sought to solidify his status as commander in chief through frequent appearances with troops. Such appearances have sought to convey that he has the confidence of the American military.

= Asskissing, Brown Nosing . . . so on and so forth.

Remember the common consensus of military personnel when it came to Obama being their CiC before the election? They were less than ecstatic, to say the least.

Generals and other leading members of the military didn't get to the top by fluffing up the President, kissing his ass, lying or hiding their thoughts and opinions.

You only get to the top in the Military by being an honest, vigilant, ruthless (yet savvy) mother****er. . . yet they're suppose to stifle the values that got them there?
 
YOu gotta love that "slow progress".... That is as much Obama's fault as it is anyone elses.
 
what should Obama have done differently?





Approved the troop increase request long ago and not skimped on the numbers.

Call this war and this enemy what they are.

Met with his generals in more places than a tarmac for an hour.

Not force idiotic extreme ROE on the troops.



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what should Obama have done differently?

That issue was debated endlessly when it was blazing freaking hot.

I, personally, feld that McChrystal's request would have been best fulfilled in full and done so immediately - 1 or 2 months should have been plenty of time - but 11? Almost a year.
All of my children were born, weened, on solid baby food and walking within a year - Obama can't progress as quickly as a newborn?
 
Approved the troop increase request long ago and not skimped on the numbers.
in your view, you would have had Obama sign off on a massive troop increase without analyzing the consequences of the act. not that surprising you would take that approach. fortunately, Obama does not subscribe to the republican mantra "ready, fire, aim"

Call this war and this enemy what they are.
what is the war and what is the enemy. give us the names we should be using instead

Met with his generals in more places than a tarmac for an hour.
please give us something which shows he has not been involved longer than an hour or has been briefed in other locales

Not force idiotic extreme ROE on the troops.
what about the rules of engagement need to be changed?



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You're right bubba, Obama has done nothing wrong, any fault must be with someone else, at all times.... :doh:
 
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Your right bubba, Obama has done nothing wrong, any fault must be with someone else, at all times.... :doh:

Yep - at all times!
Well I guess that we can only HOPE that Obama will CHANGE his ways. Maybe if I PRAY hard enough IT WILL HAPPEN.
 
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