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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    So most of the conservatives in this thread are saying "Well he shouldn't have done that BUT IT SHOWS THERES A PROBLEM..."

    I bet if someone in 2004 had done this, they'd be screaming for his head, calling him a traitor.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How else does a high ranking military official get a change of inept civilian leadership?

    Serious question.
    It's called a coup, and that would be bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    It's called a coup, and that would be bad.
    I'm not super familiar with military/civilian interactions.
    Sounds to me that whoever is in charge should have direct access with the president instead of some go between lackey.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So most of the conservatives in this thread are saying "Well he shouldn't have done that BUT IT SHOWS THERES A PROBLEM..."

    I bet if someone in 2004 had done this, they'd be screaming for his head, calling him a traitor.
    And when Fallon was forced to resign after criticizing Bush Administration policy on Iran, there were those here who defended him, derided the Bush Admin as kicking out all but "yes men," and argued that Fallon was more honorable than "Betrayus."


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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not super familiar with military/civilian interactions.
    Sounds to me that whoever is in charge should have direct access with the president instead of some go between lackey.
    I'm not sure you could call the Secretary of Defense a "lackey".

    It's not the military's job to effect a change in the civilian leadership. That is the sole purview of the voters and the Constitution.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How else does a high ranking military official get a change of inept civilian leadership?

    Serious question.
    It is not up to the military to decide if civilian leadership is inept. No one in the military gets to pick their boss.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not super familiar with military/civilian interactions.
    Sounds to me that whoever is in charge should have direct access with the president instead of some go between lackey.
    No. You go through the chain of command. That is what it is there for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I'm not sure you could call the Secretary of Defense a "lackey".

    It's not the military's job to effect a change in the civilian leadership. That is the sole purview of the voters and the Constitution.
    That isn't really what I was getting at.

    I guess I was questioning how a general can get information to the president without having to use his go between.
    If the person, which I guess is the Sec. of Defense in this instance, is inept and it effects the general's performance; I'd like to think that he could have a word with the president about how it hurts him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No. You go through the chain of command. That is what it is there for.
    I guess that's why I'm not much of a fan of military procedure, it needs to be more flexible when there are loose links.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That isn't really what I was getting at.

    I guess I was questioning how a general can get information to the president without having to use his go between.
    If the person, which I guess is the Sec. of Defense in this instance, is inept and it effects the general's performance; I'd like to think that he could have a word with the president about how it hurts him.
    If the President is a good leader, he'll know where the problems lie, or will find out if he doesn't know. The military leadership has access to the President, but their immediate boss is the SecDef.
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