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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

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    Soldiers don't have the luxury of speaking their interpretation of the truth. Just like you or I don't have the luxury of telling our boss he's a fat slob who should be flipping burgers. Welcome to the world.
    But when the soldier does decidedly open his mouth we should not just look at a soldier speaking out, but also what they have to say. If we concentrate on just the message on not on what is in it then we loose the insight of a great military mind. And McChrystal hasn't been the only one to speak out. Remember Petraus arguing about the new strategy in the Middle East when the President took office. So now two prominent generals have openly protested against a civilian's war plans. Clue?

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    And in other news, President Kazari has claimed his support of the General and has publicaly asked the President to NOT fire McChrystal.

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

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    4) Solution - Do not fire McChrystal, but make sure he keeps his fat mouth shut. LOL.
    IMO, even as the offense is one for which a military officer could be fired, perhaps the best course would be for the President to bar General McChrystal from any contact with the media. Instead, a separate military officer should be designated to handle press matters, with neither General McChrystal nor his staff having any media contact. Their contact with the media officer should be limited to providing requested facts/information. Framing the message would be outside General McChrystal's and his staff's purview. Although the General would likely resist such constraints, his now repeated damaging public relations blunders have demonstrated an inability to handle the media. If he rejects such terms, then he should be relieved.

    However, for even the above framework to be feasible, others including Amb. Eikenberry, Richard Holbrooke, and General Petraeus would need to have sufficient confidence that they could work with General McChrystal. The effort in Afghanistan is a team effort. If the General's comments have destroyed the ability for the group to function as a cohesive team, then a replacement will be needed.

    With Congressional criticism of the General's conduct increasing, and criticism has been expressed by Rep. Obey, Sen. McCain, and Sen. Kerry, among others, the President will need to consider the political dynamics. If Congress has lost confidence in General McChrystal, it also makes little sense to retain him.

    Finally, if the President chooses to retain General McChrystal, he should reaffirm that he expects that the strategic objectives set forth in the strategy largely designed by General McChrystal will be fulfilled by the time July 2011 arrives. The situation might also present an opportunity for the President to suggest corrections to the strategy e.g., reducing its current Kabul-centric focus.

    Right now, my guess is that the President could go either way on the issue. A lot will depend on whether the Afghanistan "team" can function effectively or whether the General's comments have destroyed the necessary trust and relationships. Congressional pressure will be another factor. General McChrystal might tender his own resignation, which I suspect the President would accept if it is offered.

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

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    IMO, even as the offense is one for which a military officer could be fired, perhaps the best course would be for the President to bar General McChrystal from any contact with the media. Instead, a separate military officer should be designated to handle press matters, with neither General McChrystal nor his staff having any media contact. Their contact with the media officer should be limited to providing requested facts/information. Framing the message would be outside General McChrystal's and his staff's purview. Although the General would likely resist such constraints, his now repeated damaging public relations blunders have demonstrated an inability to handle the media. If he rejects such terms, then he should be relieved.

    However, for even the above framework to be feasible, others including Amb. Eikenberry, Richard Holbrooke, and General Petraeus would need to have sufficient confidence that they could work with General McChrystal. The effort in Afghanistan is a team effort. If the General's comments have destroyed the ability for the group to function as a cohesive team, then a replacement will be needed.

    With Congressional criticism of the General's conduct increasing, and criticism has been expressed by Rep. Obey, Sen. McCain, and Sen. Kerry, among others, the President will need to consider the political dynamics. If Congress has lost confidence in General McChrystal, it also makes little sense to retain him.

    Finally, if the President chooses to retain General McChrystal, he should reaffirm that he expects that the strategic objectives set forth in the strategy largely designed by General McChrystal will be fulfilled by the time July 2011 arrives. The situation might also present an opportunity for the President to suggest corrections to the strategy e.g., reducing its current Kabul-centric focus.

    Right now, my guess is that the President could go either way on the issue. A lot will depend on whether the Afghanistan "team" can function effectively or whether the General's comments have destroyed the necessary trust and relationships. Congressional pressure will be another factor. General McChrystal might tender his own resignation, which I suspect the President would accept if it is offered.
    Obama isn't going to let McChrystal go anywhere. If that were to happen, McChrystal would sing like a bird, making Obama look lik an even bigger idiot than he already does.
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    The Runaway General
    Stanley McChrystal, Obama's top commander in Afghanistan, has seized control of the war by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House

    The Runaway General | Rolling Stone Politics
    The Rolling Stone piece.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama isn't going to let McChrystal go anywhere. If that were to happen, McChrystal would sing like a bird, making Obama look lik an even bigger idiot than he already does.
    My thinking exactly. On Civvy Street, he could do massive damage.

    He should retire, then run for office.
    Even though he had voted for Obama, McChrystal
    Then again... maybe not! LOL...

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    On Drudge's front page now:
    FLASH: According to an unnamed source 'Gen. McChrystal has submitted his resignation' - Joe Klein on Rick Sanchez, CNN... Developing...
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Some general comments:

    The comments Rolling Stone quoted in themselves are not that bad at all. That kind of thing is said all the time by military people. The fault lies in that they said those in front of reporters. I had my first training on dealing with the military as an E3. Absolutely no excuse for that poor judgment.

    However, the editor from Rolling Stone for this piece was just on Hardball, and he commented that everything said was on the record, unless arranged in advance to be off the record. That is not acceptable to my mind for military units. Any of the people there should have been able to say "This is off the record" and that alone should be enough.

    The article is not, alone, enough to ask for a resignation. If Don's comments are accurate that McChrystal's strategy is not working, then this does make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Some general comments:

    The comments Rolling Stone quoted in themselves are not that bad at all. That kind of thing is said all the time by military people. The fault lies in that they said those in front of reporters. I had my first training on dealing with the military as an E3. Absolutely no excuse for that poor judgment.

    However, the editor from Rolling Stone for this piece was just on Hardball, and he commented that everything said was on the record, unless arranged in advance to be off the record. That is not acceptable to my mind for military units. Any of the people there should have been able to say "This is off the record" and that alone should be enough.

    The article is not, alone, enough to ask for a resignation. If Don's comments are accurate that McChrystal's strategy is not working, then this does make sense.
    General rule of military leadership...make bitches, complaints, and generally snide snippy comments UP the chain...not to outsiders or subordinates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    And in other news, President Kazari has claimed his support of the General and has publicaly asked the President to NOT fire McChrystal.
    All the more reason to do so,then.

    I don't think anything he said was outrageous, but the point is you're not supposed to say anything.

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