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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

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    Unless you are trying to make a point and ready to retire....
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Unless you are trying to make a point and ready to retire....
    If he wanted to make a point and retire, he could have issued a statement saying that he was retiring due to irreconcilable differences with the Obama administration over their handling of the situation in Afghanistan. That would have been an incredibly powerful move that would have raised serious questions about our strategy in Afg. and would have left McChrystal looking pristine.

    Cracking jokes about politicians behind their back and then walking to the WH with your tail between your legs doesn't create the same image.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Unless you are trying to make a point and ready to retire....
    The fact that he apologized for the statements makes your supposition very unlikely.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    for my edification; what are the mission objectives and major goals to be accomplished in afghanistan before we can remove our troops?
    The mission set forth by the President is:

    ...to disrupt, dismantle, and eventually defeat al Qaeda and to prevent their return to either Afghanistan or Pakistan. To do so, we and our allies will surge our forces, targeting elements of the insurgency and securing key population centers, training Afghan forces, transferring responsibility to a capable Afghan partner, and increasing our partnership with Pakistanis who are facing the same threats.

    The objectives of the troop surge are to:

    1) "... target the insurgency, break its momentum, and better secure population centers. "
    2) "...increase our capacity to train effective Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans get into the fight..."
    3) "transition to Afghan responsibility..."
    4) "begin to reduce our combat troops in the summer of 2011."

    Source: Fact Sheet: The Way Forward in Afghanistan | The White House

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    If he'd kept his mouth shut, the comments wouldn't be an issue. On what grounds should we allow a general to dis the CIC?
    I did not mean to suggest that he should retained. My point is that retaining or firing General McChrystal does not alleviate the Administration from the need to make changes to its present strategy. The current strategy, largely devised by General McChrystal, is producing suboptimal outcomes. Key objectives, including the summer campaign related to Kandahar are being delayed, in large part because the strategy rests on a flawed premise concerning the legitimacy and competence of the Karzai regime and substantively ignores the decentralized/fragmented structure that defines Afghanistan. Under that structure tribal leaders play a much more important role. Leveraging their support and building mechanisms by which they could cooperate on interests that are national in scope would have a better chance at success. Ignoring them fuels mistrust and makes it less likely that they will take the necessary risks to facilitate the success of the U.S. mission.

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post

    A warrior's warrior understands the chain of command. Swore an oath to the Constitution? Gimme a break.

    There's no excuse. Obama should make an example of him.
    I whole heartly applaud any individual that can speak the truth at all times, even if it leads to their death, or firing.... and another thing, the General doesn't owe anyone an apology.

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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I whole heartly applaud any individual that can speak the truth at all times, even if it leads to their death, or firing.... and another thing, the General doesn't owe anyone an apology.
    Again, this isn't a case where McChrystal was standing on principle to raise serious objections with our policy and institute reform. Having a lol at Biden is not exactly standing in Tienanmen Sq.

    If he really wanted to cause people to turn a harsh eye to the Obama Administration's actions, this is probably the worst thing he could have done. Now, if he "resigns" it will be because of his insubordination, not his objections to policy. Any criticism he raises later on will be tainted by this.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I did not mean to suggest that he should retained. My point is that retaining or firing General McChrystal does not alleviate the Administration from the need to make changes to its present strategy. The current strategy, largely devised by General McChrystal, is producing suboptimal outcomes. Key objectives, including the summer campaign related to Kandahar are being delayed, in large part because the strategy rests on a flawed premise concerning the legitimacy and competence of the Karzai regime and substantively ignores the decentralized/fragmented structure that defines Afghanistan. Under that structure tribal leaders play a much more important role. Leveraging their support and building mechanisms by which they could cooperate on interests that are national in scope would have a better chance at success. Ignoring them fuels mistrust and makes it less likely that they will take the necessary risks to facilitate the success of the U.S. mission.
    and as you have provided (and thanks for that) the mission objective is as follows:
    ...to disrupt, dismantle, and eventually defeat al Qaeda and to prevent their return to either Afghanistan or Pakistan
    AQ is not a state. we cannot expect a surrender as if this were a conventional war. we can be mired there forever, like the war on poverty, the war on drugs or the battle with organized crime. while we may not have lost, we can never actually win, either
    it's time to declare victory and get our troops home. in afghanistan and iraq
    it is past time to end the stupidity wrought by dubya bin lyin


    any possibility that mcchrystal now recognizes he is the leader of an army which has no prospects for winning - where winning is defined above in italics
    he may realize he oversold his ability to turn things around. afghanistan, like hotel california, is a place you can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my guess is yes, after the current rolling stone article
    he has literally been called on the carpet to be in person in the situation room, not in video, on the monthly afghanistan assessment tomorrow
    this is smart guy. he knew the outcome of his insubordination when he made those quoted comments to rolling stone
    apparently there is a huge chasm between some military brass and the white house about the strategy for conducting the war(s)
    U.S. general lets down his guard in Rolling Stone interview - latimes.com
    duh!
    1) According to the UCMJ, McChrystal has committed insubordination.

    2) However, it was McChrystal's plan that was implemented in Afghanistan. Our strategy there pretty much falls apart if he is fired.

    3) McChrystal has already apologized for his slips of the lip.

    4) Solution - Do not fire McChrystal, but make sure he keeps his fat mouth shut. LOL.
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    re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Not at all. anyone who has served knows that you don't critisize the CiC to the press.
    Yes everybody knows that which begs the question what his end game was.

    Maybe he wanted out and didn't have another way to get out? I really don't know but he is not a stupid man so what did he hope to gain by making those comments.

    The idea of mis-speaking is a fantasy. People know what they say when they say it.
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