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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - shock to all - I don't agree with this whole issue.

    If Obama can say and do all that he's said and done then McChrystal should be able to voice his opinion. Yeah, sure, it was fool hearty - but still within his rights.
    They hired him on to do a job and then blocked him from doing that job - and now have turned completely against him simply because they're not in the same boat.

    Obama's a hypocritical bitch. At least McChrystal's capable of being honest! It's not like he divulged top-secret information, honestly. . . what's the phrase? "No harm, no foul"



    I agree with this. Even though what the General did was against the rules here and he should account for it. Its simply a sign of immaturity how Obama has reacted. It is further telling how serious Obama cares for this war, when it took him how long to meet with McChrystal the 1st time, and what was it for 1 hr on a stop over to Germany?

    But ohhh wait, McChrystal dares speak out of turn about Obama, and he MUST attend the next meeting in person and Obama's people are cackling how firing is not off the table....


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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So most of the conservatives in this thread are saying "Well he shouldn't have done that BUT IT SHOWS THERES A PROBLEM..."

    I bet if someone in 2004 had done this, they'd be screaming for his head, calling him a traitor.




    2 things hoss...


    1. Is there not a "problem"

    2. and no, that was the left. "General Betrayus"....
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    published comments by the general and his staff shattered White House confidence in the command overseeing a war effort plagued by slow progress and increasing casualties.
    Obama is directly the one who waffled on a variety of issues and failed to make any decision. . . yet they'll pass the blame onto McChrystal when THEY were the ones who failed to follow his advice?

    = Hypocrisy

    The president added that the article, in Rolling Stone magazine, showed "poor judgment" on the general's part.
    Tell us what you really think!
    "Acted Stupidly" was probably on the tip of his tongue, here.

    = Hypocrisy: the president Criticizing the General because the General criticized the President.
    Me thinks that if Sedition could be waged, here, Obama would wage it.

    For Obama, firing McChrystal would be the surest way to address signs of insubordination from the military and public perceptions of White House weakness.
    (That's what Obama should exercise)

    But removing McChrystal would force the administration to find another general to take charge of the problem-plagued war and could jeopardize the administration's timetable for showing progress in the field and reducing the size of Western forces.
    I think this is what Obama was going for all this time - pressuring McChrystal to quite, really, by making his work-environment uncomfortable, at the least - which, as we discussed in another thread is actually illegal.

    McChrystal offered a public apology Tuesday. He also met with Karzai, Holbrooke and Eikenberry and privately apologized.
    This apology was undoubtedly bull**** and empty - and unnecessary.
    I think, after all this crap has come undone, McChrystal earns the right to tell the President to go **** Himself to his face.

    They refused to come to an agreement EYE TO EYE with McChrystal and now they're running his underwear up the flagpole.

    Obama, who has not served in the military, has sought to solidify his status as commander in chief through frequent appearances with troops. Such appearances have sought to convey that he has the confidence of the American military.
    = Asskissing, Brown Nosing . . . so on and so forth.

    Remember the common consensus of military personnel when it came to Obama being their CiC before the election? They were less than ecstatic, to say the least.

    Generals and other leading members of the military didn't get to the top by fluffing up the President, kissing his ass, lying or hiding their thoughts and opinions.

    You only get to the top in the Military by being an honest, vigilant, ruthless (yet savvy) mother****er. . . yet they're suppose to stifle the values that got them there?
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    YOu gotta love that "slow progress".... That is as much Obama's fault as it is anyone elses.
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    YOu gotta love that "slow progress".... That is as much Obama's fault as it is anyone elses.
    what should Obama have done differently?
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what should Obama have done differently?




    Approved the troop increase request long ago and not skimped on the numbers.

    Call this war and this enemy what they are.

    Met with his generals in more places than a tarmac for an hour.

    Not force idiotic extreme ROE on the troops.



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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what should Obama have done differently?
    That issue was debated endlessly when it was blazing freaking hot.

    I, personally, feld that McChrystal's request would have been best fulfilled in full and done so immediately - 1 or 2 months should have been plenty of time - but 11? Almost a year.
    All of my children were born, weened, on solid baby food and walking within a year - Obama can't progress as quickly as a newborn?
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Approved the troop increase request long ago and not skimped on the numbers.
    in your view, you would have had Obama sign off on a massive troop increase without analyzing the consequences of the act. not that surprising you would take that approach. fortunately, Obama does not subscribe to the republican mantra "ready, fire, aim"

    Call this war and this enemy what they are.
    what is the war and what is the enemy. give us the names we should be using instead

    Met with his generals in more places than a tarmac for an hour.
    please give us something which shows he has not been involved longer than an hour or has been briefed in other locales

    Not force idiotic extreme ROE on the troops.
    what about the rules of engagement need to be changed?



    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    You're right bubba, Obama has done nothing wrong, any fault must be with someone else, at all times.... :
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    Re: Gen. McChrystal's job hangs in the balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Your right bubba, Obama has done nothing wrong, any fault must be with someone else, at all times.... :
    Yep - at all times!
    Well I guess that we can only HOPE that Obama will CHANGE his ways. Maybe if I PRAY hard enough IT WILL HAPPEN.
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