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    Re: Nebraska city votes to bar hiring illegal immigrants

    Bad analogies from both sides guys.

    Yes, if we just work at securing the border its not going to do much. Some of the MAIN reasons people are coming in will still be present (jobs, services, etc) so the entire time you're working on securing that border (which will take time, especially if its a wall) you're having large amounts of people coming in and even afterwards there will be high reward to attempt to bypass that high risk of getting around it meaning attempts are still going to be high. Will it slow the influx? Yes. Will it stop it? No.

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    If we JUST cut down on their ability to get jobs and services that also isn't going to be effective. There are still other benefits and reasons to come over illegally and still the chance of getting jobs and things under the table, and with a weak border the risk of actually coming into the country is relatively low. So will it slow the influx? Yes. Will it stop it? No.

    The answer is a combination of those two FIRST...actual enforcement of laws AND protecting the border. Enforcement of laws could happen and begin in earnest tomorrow if need be, thus potentially slowing the flow of Illegals into the country while defense is ramped up. Once the border is secured and some of the major incentives are severely reduced then you have the double benefit of it being high risk to enter AND high risk to stay, doubling your chances of giving incentive and reason why NOT to illegally come into the country.

    At that point you've slowed the flow of people coming into the country, you've hastened the flow of people voluntarily leaving the country, and you have a better way to monitor the coming and goings of people. Its at that point, when the security process has begun to be done and the enforcement process has been in place, that you begin to go into the secondary issues such as deportation or a path to citizenship, revisions of our general immigration law, looking into reforming or creating new temporary visas, etc.

    Protect the Border and Remove the incentives, THEN tackle everything else. Do both of those first ones together and you have a FAR better chance at successfully doing it than if you do either of them singularly.

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    Re: Nebraska city votes to bar hiring illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Does anyone know what sanctions there will be for violating this law? I don't have a problem at all with this approach to curbing illegal immigration, but without teeth, it's nothing more than empty political posturing.
    Agreed and there will be more loss of life while this sick political game is played out. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS destroying our economy, healthcare, legal, communities, etc while our elected government (BOTH useless Parties) sit on their collective asses and turn a blind eye

    Prosecuting BP agents or citizens who step up to the plate to defend this country and at the same time defending, the cancer thats rotting the country...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS getting a free pass

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    Re: Nebraska city votes to bar hiring illegal immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Bad analogies from both sides guys.

    Yes, if we just work at securing the border its not going to do much. Some of the MAIN reasons people are coming in will still be present (jobs, services, etc) so the entire time you're working on securing that border (which will take time, especially if its a wall) you're having large amounts of people coming in and even afterwards there will be high reward to attempt to bypass that high risk of getting around it meaning attempts are still going to be high. Will it slow the influx? Yes. Will it stop it? No.

    However...

    If we JUST cut down on their ability to get jobs and services that also isn't going to be effective. There are still other benefits and reasons to come over illegally and still the chance of getting jobs and things under the table, and with a weak border the risk of actually coming into the country is relatively low. So will it slow the influx? Yes. Will it stop it? No.

    The answer is a combination of those two FIRST...actual enforcement of laws AND protecting the border. Enforcement of laws could happen and begin in earnest tomorrow if need be, thus potentially slowing the flow of Illegals into the country while defense is ramped up. Once the border is secured and some of the major incentives are severely reduced then you have the double benefit of it being high risk to enter AND high risk to stay, doubling your chances of giving incentive and reason why NOT to illegally come into the country.

    At that point you've slowed the flow of people coming into the country, you've hastened the flow of people voluntarily leaving the country, and you have a better way to monitor the coming and goings of people. Its at that point, when the security process has begun to be done and the enforcement process has been in place, that you begin to go into the secondary issues such as deportation or a path to citizenship, revisions of our general immigration law, looking into reforming or creating new temporary visas, etc.

    Protect the Border and Remove the incentives, THEN tackle everything else. Do both of those first ones together and you have a FAR better chance at successfully doing it than if you do either of them singularly.
    The above is a very reasoned piece, alas it totally ignores another reason why BOTH Parties sit on their collective asses and do nothing about the immigration problem.
    The Birth rate in America is declining (actually this decline is happening throughout the world in many countries) so in order to keep population levels and one presumes Tax income at a reasonable level, these nations have to if not actually encourage immigration, then certainly turn a blind eye to it.
    This decline is not entirely due to the rise of Homosexual populations, although that too does not help augment population growth, rather it is generally considered to be because of the high cost of raising children.
    It could also be well argued that the Military in these Countries require fodder to replace those killed.
    Last edited by jujuman13; 06-22-10 at 04:30 PM.

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    Re: Nebraska city votes to bar hiring illegal immigrants

    If the issue was truly population growth then that could easily be solved by increasing the number of immigrants allowed to LEGALY come into the United States every year.

    There are reasons why politicians wish to keep the status quo, with some democrats realizing the more illegals coming in the more their argument for amnesty being "needed" is there and the more they bank on them voting democrat in gratitude for said amnesty while some republicans wanting more illegals in to provide big business with potentially cheaper labor. That said if it becomes a big enough hot button issue that it outweighs the positives for both sides then it won't matter much. However there's no much else we can do in regards to the nefarious desires of politicians.

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