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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Okay, going to try this again and its going to be shorter then yesterdays I’m sure (stupid computer).

    My issue is not with bipartisanship, or the lack there of. I actually detest Bipartisanship in the form it’s typically used in. Bipartisanship recently has essentially either meant “Doing what we want while throwing a few bones to the opposition so that if they disagree we can say they are obstructionists/hate America, and if a few do agree we can laud ourselves for being ‘bipartisan’ while their base flogs them come election time” OR it means “Okay, we’re going to get what we want but we’ll compromise to get LESS of it”. Republicans have been horrible with it recently too, and while Bush had some clear moments (No Child Left Behind, Immigration), so it is not just a democrat issue with not being bipartisan.

    I actually dislike bipartisanship. I would have zero issue in general with Democrats not being bipartisan while they’re in control, and ditto for republicans. You got elected to office by your constituents, represent your constituents and push for things that you agree with and thus they agree with. If you have super majorities you’re going to get it. I may not like it, others may not like it, and we may fight like hell to oppose it and then later over turn it, but you’re doing your voters a disservice by not going for it. Likewise I WANT the minority, be it the republicans or dems, to do anything legal in their means to try to stop that which they staunchly disagree with because doing otherwise would be doing THEIR constituents a disservice. I guarantee you there’s few if any republicans that voted their representatives into place to pass cap and trade, government healthcare, buyouts of GM, extending welfare coverage, or other such things. If their representatives act “bipartisan” in passing those things, when “bipartisan” is just a few bones in exchange for signing their name onto something that 95% of it their constituents hate, then they’re doing their people a disservice.

    The only time bipartisanship actually works close to how its mythically toted is when you have a situation, ala the later Clinton years, where one party has the Presidency and one party has a loose control of congress. This forms a necessity to actually come up with unique ideas and true compromises and is one of the few times where it leads to real new ideas and reform of processes.

    My issue currently isn’t even honestly as much with the Democrats in congress. While it may be the case with some its not an issue with the majority that I know of. My issue is with the President, and it’s not the act of his lack of bipartisanship but his dishonesty and manipulation. It’s the fact that a major portion of his campaign was focused around changing politics as usual, bipartisanship, being post partisan, and changing the political climate. It’s the hypocrisy and dishonesty presented by him that bothers me. It’s the miniscule effort towards true honest bipartisanship that is not laced with obvious primary motives with “bipartisanship” a distant second more for political cover than an honest attempt at reaching across the aisle. Its informing people that “I won” in response to them voicing a possible objection to a plan he’s telling them they need to get on board with. Its lecturing senators that if they want to get included they need to stop listening to a radio personality. Even recently it’s the misrepresentation of Republicans doing a fully legal and often used senatorial method is them somehow “denying the American people what they deserve”. It’s the repeated flogging of the Republicans and the previous administration while in the exact same breath trying to talk about how we need to reject partisan politics of the past. Its blatant and dishonest hypocrisy.

    Which is what annoys me so with this forum and many democrats that I want. Everytime there is a gay republican, not one that’s broke any law but his only problem is that he’s secretly gay, democrats and liberals come out of the wood work to insult, flame, and laugh at him and every republican for what they claim is the “hypocrisy” of it, as if such a thing is one step away from murder. And yet when there is hypocrisy on their own side so many turn a blind eye to it.

    Though, why should I really be surprised. They’re simply taking after their parties highest official. After all, Obama had nothing horrible or negative to say when a person in the news media talks about the shivers running up his leg for him. Of course, if that comment was delivered by someone from Fox News or talk radio and was shivers of fear rather than adoration I’m sure we would’ve got a long diatribe about how senators better not be listening to such propaganda all wrapped up in a nice little speech about being “bipartisan”

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Which do you think will be more catchy with the public: The "BP 114" or the "BP #1"?

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Large company donates more to Presidential election than it does to Senate/House election (but not by much!)

    News at 11.
    Those are all-time figures, so it's difficult to write it off as just presidential results when Obama's take substantially exceeds the take of 2-term president and oilman GWB as well as long-term Senator and presidential candidate McCain.

    Moreover, as I understand it, this thread isn't about whether these things actually indicate anything about the people in question, but about how these things will play out in the public. "Obama is the all-time largest recipient of BP donations" is far more catchy than "114 Republicans are members of a group that contains one guy who once said something that could be construed as supporting BP."
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    "Obama is the all-time largest recipient of BP donations" is far more catchy than "114 Republicans are members of a group that contains one guy who once said something that could be construed as supporting BP."
    That's a less tenuous connection that most Republican attacks on Democrats. Death panels, anyone?

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That's a less tenuous connection that most Republican attacks on Democrats. Death panels, anyone?
    And those were stupid too, the value of death panels notwithstanding.
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Bi partisan is usually a political attempt at saying, "they won't do what we want them to."
    No one is being "bi partisan."

    As for the BP fund, is a stupid idea and still is.
    Why do you think its a stupid idea? BP's actions are harming many people, and they should be forced to pay for the damage they caused.
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post


    Oh, you mean the switch where he allowed off shore drilling........and in the exact same stroke disallowed drilling in other places of the United States thus playing a shell game where he can say "Look, we're allowing more domestic drilling" while simultaneously going "look, we're disallowing more domestic drilling".

    Oh, and wonderful ignorant comment there. Lets see, since no actual additional off shore drilling substantially occurred, and had nothing to do with the current problem in the Gulf, I'd say its hard to really say how that work out.
    What are you talking about? He opened up the southern Atlantic coast and more of the Gulf to drilling, while making sure a few very sensitive ecological areas like Bristol Bay were specifically covered. Yes, he didn't open up the entire coast, but it expanded it a lot more than it had been before.
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why do you think its a stupid idea? BP's actions are harming many people, and they should be forced to pay for the damage they caused.
    They were already paying before the fund was even established, not only that but they are paying more than the cap on damages.
    Adding that the fund will be paid into over 3 years.

    It was a political stunt because a bunch of nincompoops said Obama wasn't doing anything/enough.
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He can do it. It's just not attempting to be bipartisan or post partisan. Its not abandoning or giving up some of what he wants in an effort to get the other side to agree with him to form a piece of legislation that is agreeable to all sides. Its the realization that his views were unpassable as he couldn't even get his own party to agree with it and thus had to give up things to get ANY bit of what he wanted. It was not an attempt to work with the other side of the aisle, it was the realization that his side of the aisle wasn't even going along with what he was doing so he had to moderate what he wanted to get them with the hope that maybe some republicans would jump on board.

    When you're trying to convince YOUR OWN PARTY to come vote with you that's not a symbol of bipartisanship, that's a symbol of someone that was pushing for something too extreme in general and thus had to moderate themselves out of necessity to just get their OWN majority let alone the other side, not out of a desire to reach across the aisle.
    I'm not sure if you even read what I was asking... I was asking why something can't be designed to appeal to moderates on both sides. You seem to have this idea that if it is designed to appeal to moderate republicans AND moderate Democrats it can't be bipartisan. The blue dogs are conservative enough that they generally want the same things as what few moderate republicans there are. It seems to me that something that would win over one group would win over the other... assuming there are any republicans left outside of Maine in the GOP
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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They were already paying before the fund was even established, not only that but they are paying more than the cap on damages.
    Adding that the fund will be paid into over 3 years.

    It was a political stunt because a bunch of nincompoops said Obama wasn't doing anything/enough.
    Then what is the issue with making sure the pay out is being done fairly and efficiently? We've already seen BP can't police themselves on these things. A third party is needed.
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