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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Followed by How to make excuses for being complete Hypocrites 101.
    Perhaps someone should look up what a hypocrite is before making idiotic statements.

    Saying one thing while doing another is a hypocrite. IE saying you're going to be bipartisan, and then NOT, is hypocritical

    Not doing something, but never saying you're going to do it, is not being a hypocrite. IE not being bipartisan but also not running on a platform of "we're going to be bipartisan".

    Perhaps before trying to make witty comments that bomb harder than Little Boy you should actually try to think of what you're trying to articulate first.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    And thank God for that, now maybe they can actually get something accomplished. As for the BP 114-- I love that title, by the way-- I suspect we'll be seeing it reduced to the BP 100 or so after November.

    ......So, they hold the White House, the Senate, and House, all in commanding fashion, and it is Republicans who prevent anything from being accomplished? What dream world are you living in?

    I would be interested in how the government came up with this $20 billion number exactly, and how exactly it is legal without BP being found to be grossly negligent as of yet. Isn't there a $75 million cap in the absence of this finding?

    Should those who have been hurt by the oil spill get compensation? Yes.
    Should the government demand that BP front $20 billion without established what their liability will be under the law? I would argue no.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    ......So, they hold the White House, the Senate, and House, all in commanding fashion, and it is Republicans who prevent anything from being accomplished? What dream world are you living in?
    What dream world are you living in where I said the Republicans prevented anything? It's Democratic incompetence that prevents them from achieving anything, obviously, but the only people more ineffectual than the Democrats have been the Republicans. Maybe now that they aren't wasting their time courting Republican obstructionists they can actually get something done.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What dream world are you living in where I said the Republicans prevented anything? It's Democratic incompetence that prevents them from achieving anything, obviously, but the only people more ineffectual than the Democrats have been the Republicans. Maybe now that they aren't wasting their time courting Republican obstructionists they can actually get something done.
    The whole idea that Republicans should run from their core platform just to "get something done" seems a little ridiculous to me. Blocking massive spending increases when they can, and other huge government programs is a good idea. Perhaps they did not have the best track record of doing that under Bush, but it is good they are finally standing up for their core values more or less.

    What is it that you hope Democrats can now "accomplish" exactly?

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    The whole idea that Republicans should run from their core platform just to "get something done" seems a little ridiculous to me.
    I guess that's the difference between you and me. I expect my elected officials to "get things done" and you expect them to stand in the way of getting things done while multinational corporations run amok and pillage our economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by NolaMan View Post
    Blocking massive spending increases when they can, and other huge government programs is a good idea. Perhaps they did not have the best track record of doing that under Bush, but it is good they are finally standing up for their core values more or less.
    "Perhaps they didn't have the best track record of doing that under Bush" is the understatement of the year, my friend. Two financially disastrous unnecessary wars and a $700 billion Bush-bailout can't just be swept under the rug so easily.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I guess that's the difference between you and me. I expect my elected officials to "get things done" and you expect them to stand in the way of getting things done while multinational corporations run amok and pillage our economy.
    I expect them to get things done that are actually good ideas. Not just do things for the sake of doing something.

    "Perhaps they didn't have the best track record of doing that under Bush" is the understatement of the year, my friend. Two financially disastrous unnecessary wars and a $700 billion Bush-bailout can't just be swept under the rug so easily.
    Well, in 2006 the Democrats were in control of Congress. TARP did not come until 2008, so it is unfair to place that solely at the feet of Bush. As for the wars, I do not think that they have been a financial disaster. Think about it, what is the cost war? It is basically government stimulus... so if you argue that war spending has failed and destroyed the economy, then you basically are arguing that stimulus spending does not work... and by extension would be very much opposed to almost everything being done by the White House and Congress currently.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Please show me some examples of him bending over backwards to "appease conservative fear mongers" that was not:

    1. Trying to keep a campaign promise
    2. Trying to woo people to vote for what he wants that were IN HIS PARTy
    3. Was done without being accompanied with insults, attacks, and accusations

    The "Death Panel" thing was not a "bipartisan compromise". Did the Republicans shoot out a lot of propoganda about it? Absolutely. So much so that it started causing moderate democrats to back out of the bill unless it was stripped out. That was for the benefit of HIS PARTY, not for "bipartisanship."

    And while George Bush was by no means "Mr. Bipartisan" I can think of two huge ones off the top of my head with the Ted Kennedy assisted No Child Left Behind and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform that his own party and constituents hated but he went along with Democrats on trying to pass it as comprehensive first and foremost. Not to mention bipartisanship and post partisan was not NEARLY as huge planks of his campaign as they were of Obama's.
    - He removed the public option from the Health Care Bill
    - He sent 1200 troops to the border due to conservative whining
    - He arguably fired Van Jones
    - Flipped on the 9/11 trial in New York due to more conservative whining
    - Caved on providing real sex education, chose to continue the failed "abstinence-only" policy because of conservative christian whining
    - Finally, he caved on restricting offshore drilling due to more conservative whining, how'd that work out?


    The truth is that the Republicans are obstructionists and view any vote with Obama as a vote with the enemy. They truly are the party of no and the epitome of what is wrong with partisan politics in this country, they value their own party gaining power over what's best for the country. At least when the Democrats were in the minority, they didn't threaten to filibuster every bill they didn't agree with.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Care to quote me the specific things that were not doubly aimed at attempting to win over blue dog democrats?
    Why can't something be done to try to win over blue dogs AND moderate republicans?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why can't something be done to try to win over blue dogs AND moderate republicans?
    Because the Republicans will turn on any of their own who vote with the Democrats on any issue. You've got to admire their party discipline, even if it's largely used for nefarious purposes.

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    Re: Dems mount effort to label house GOP as 'The BP 114'

    Quote Originally Posted by somepeoplesay View Post
    Obama has tried to be bi-partisan, to a fault.


    Ahh gosh... that was a good one.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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