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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    I wouldn't trust such a vague system of trying to classify crimes. It fails to deal with either the severity of the crimes, and relies on an overly simplistic model. Islamic extremists for example, wouldn't fall into either the left or right wing parties of Europe in terms of political values.

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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Far left in Europe would be actual anarchists or true communists

    Far right in Europe typically are ultranationalists, fascists or neo Nazi's

    The ultranationalists and neo nazi's typically are quite close in ideology as being groups that very ethno centric in viewing thier nation state

    Neither the far right or the far left in Europe are equivalent to the Democrats or Republicans in the US. The US political system tends to prevent such extremists from getting much political support (or at least enough to get elected)
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm trying not to let the different terms for the ideologies confuse me.
    In the article is states: "Right-wing extremists were held responsible for 18,750 criminal offences in 2009, a drop of around 1,000 on the previous year. " . . . .which is far more than left-wing crime rates.

    So - are these "right wing" mentioned in this article the same as the "far right" that you're referring to?
    Think of it like this, in most of Europe both Democrats and Republicans would be considered right wing because they are statists.

    Their spectrum, generally goes from left wing(less/no state control) to right wing(more/complete state control).
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Think of it like this, in most of Europe both Democrats and Republicans would be considered right wing because they are statists.

    Their spectrum, generally goes from left wing(less/no state control) to right wing(more/complete state control).
    Excluding of course the traditional communists
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Excluding of course the traditional communists
    Anarcho or State communists?
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    I spend a few weeks a year at a home I have in Germany, for reasons only I need to know. I believe when I talked with the assistant police chief during my last visit, we had the most horrible crime committed in the village of Bad ??????????. Someone broke into a dentist office and stole a tank of ether.

    The world is falling apart.

    I guess what I am saying...is, compared to the US, where even in our smallest towns we have people killing one another, nothing that is happening in Germany, whether from the left or right, even compares.

    We Americans....we love killing.

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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Anarcho or State communists?
    State, althougth not many left in Western Europe
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Overall if I had to guess the majority of crimes committed by the far left in Germany would have been property crimes of the petty vandalism variety

    Only when it comes to G8 meeting and the like to the truely violent far left anarchists come out to play. And sometimes they are actually the Police playing dress up
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    State, althougth not many left in Western Europe
    I'd categorize them as right wing, they still espouse the state as primary controller.
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    Re: Steep rise in German left-wing crime reported, but no terror wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    State, althougth not many left in Western Europe
    There are still a good number of them in a few countries (though they did take a big hit after the Soviet Union fell). In Italy the communist parties there only got kicked out of Parliament in 2008 (and they could possibly return) while the French Communist Party still makes it into parliament (though they've dropped from a high of about 20% in the 70s to about 3-5% today). There are a few other countries with communist parties in parliament and quite a few more with socialist (as opposed to social democratic) which are just a little right of the communists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd categorize them as right wing, they still espouse the state as primary controller.
    The problem with this is if you use this terminology you're just going to confuse people used to traditional left-right views. Nobody in Europe views state communists as right wing or in the same statist category as far right fascist parties. It also fails to explain parties behavior in politics. Conservative Liberal parties (aka libertarians in American terminology) are more likely to ally with far right parties than state (or even anacho) communist ones while social liberals (close to the American version of liberal) are the opposite. Fascists are (a little) less statist than communists and both conservative and social liberals are way less statist than both, so under a left=anti-statist, right=pro-statist scheme both should prefer (slightly) fascists and both should really prefer anarcho communists, but this is not how they behave.

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