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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You mean a 'benevolant fascism'... oh ok. Let's say Obama is the 'benevolant fascist' the one and only in the world. He's got an 8 year term max.... what about the next guy?


    So far in this thread people have called both myself and Obama "fascists" and "Marxists," apparently without recognizing the irony that neither of these terms are accurate for either of us. While I don't agree with Obama about everything, I do admit that I am very closely aligned with him on a lot of issues. Let me repeat, neither I nor Obama are fascists, that is patently absurd, and I really can't let such an insult pass (against me at least, say whatever you like about Obama, Lord knows I've called George W. Bush a fascist in my time). I wonder if you guys even know what fascism and marxism are? And what are you talking about when you say "benevolent fascism?" There is no such thing. These slurs have gotten to the point where they have no meaning at all, and people call any belief you oppose "fascism" or "marxism." In reality, the sort of thing alms and NYC are advocating are much closer to fascism (though not identical to fascism) than anything I have said. "What you're talking about are artificial market restrictions that favor multinational corporations and an elite few robber-barons. What I'm talking about is an artificial market that favors the people of the United States." And when I say that I'm talking about the poor people of the United States. I'm talking about breaking the backs of the robber-barons to give the working people a fair chance. I'm talking about equality for all people, which is precisely the opposite of fascism. What I'm talking about is egalitarianism.
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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    More like corporations outsourcing manufacturing jobs to India and China, which helps their bottom line at the expense of the American economy. So yes, it's sort of like sending money to Mexico, only on an exponentially greater scale. Not to mention those undocumented immigrants you speak so contemptuously of are contributing more to our economy than they are taking away.
    Yes, I often wonder why a corporation would want to give up paying exorbinant union wages so those with retirement / investment portfolios may receive dividends.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Yes, I often wonder why a corporation would want to give up paying exorbinant union wages so those with retirement / investment portfolios may receive dividends.
    Sarcasm is the last refuge of a failed argument. The issue is not why corporations would do this. It's obvious why they would do it, for the money, of course! This is precisely why we need to regulate them, because they follow a predictable pattern of using whatever means possible to increase their profits at the expense of ravaging the American economy.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

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    So far in this thread people have called both myself and Obama "fascists" and "Marxists," apparently without recognizing the irony that neither of these terms are accurate for either of us.
    No, those calling Obama a 'marxist' are confused... by strict definition of your statement that you described as good is the DEFINITION of fascism...
    Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com
    a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    The only notes I add to this definition is that Obama is NOT a dictator per se, he hasn't overly acted like a dictator in the same way that Bush was acting like a dictator. Also, the way that Obama's team is suprressing opposition is by labelling it as racism.

    While I don't agree with Obama about everything, I do admit that I am very closely aligned with him on a lot of issues. Let me repeat, neither I nor Obama are fascists, that is patently absurd, and I really can't let such an insult pass
    I'm not being insulting... I'm saying by strict definition Obama is turning america into a fascist state.

    (against me at least, say whatever you like about Obama, Lord knows I've called George W. Bush a fascist in my time). I wonder if you guys even know what fascism and marxism are?
    I was also vehemently anti-bush... Bush at least did manage to keep within the gray area of constitutionality (through legaleze 'justifications'), in spite of his attempting to act as a dictator.

    And what are you talking about when you say "benevolent fascism?" There is no such thing.
    By strict definition you were saying what was needed was a benevolent fascism. Mixing corporate and government controls IS FASCISM. America became fascist when Obama took over GM, by the definition of the term.

    I do agree there is no such thing is benevolant fascism, at least not in any long term.

    These slurs have gotten to the point where they have no meaning at all, and people call any belief you oppose "fascism" or "marxism."
    I'm not 'slurring' I'm not insulting, I'm simply informing the definition of fascism... I do however agree that calling obama marxist is flawed.

    In reality, the sort of thing alms and NYC are advocating are much closer to fascism (though not identical to fascism) than anything I have said. "What you're talking about are artificial market restrictions that favor multinational corporations and an elite few robber-barons. What I'm talking about is an artificial market that favors the people of the United States." And when I say that I'm talking about the poor people of the United States. I'm talking about breaking the backs of the robber-barons to give the working people a fair chance.
    No, they are two different types of tyranny... it's like asking me, do you want a boot to the left or the right side of your face.

    I'm talking about equality for all people, which is precisely the opposite of fascism. What I'm talking about is egalitarianism.
    I don't doubt your good intentions... you want equality for the people you should be fighting for the constitution and bill of rights. You didn't REALIZE you were calling for fascism, because your thoughts are in the best interest of the people... however, what you're PROPOSING 100% of the time in history turns out to be in the WORST interests of the people.

    What do you think the 'change' Obama was offering REALLY is???

    I honestly am NOT looking to insult anyone here, just pointing out that what is proposed is fascism... what we need is a republic where the land is ruled by the rule of law. Not this merger between corporate and government interests... it's bad enough that there's a private corporation responsible for printing themoney.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post


    So far in this thread people have called both myself and Obama "fascists" and "Marxists," apparently without recognizing the irony that neither of these terms are accurate for either of us. While I don't agree with Obama about everything, I do admit that I am very closely aligned with him on a lot of issues. Let me repeat, neither I nor Obama are fascists, that is patently absurd, and I really can't let such an insult pass (against me at least, say whatever you like about Obama, Lord knows I've called George W. Bush a fascist in my time).
    So you criticize those who call Obama a Marxist while acknowledging that you made remarks that were equally foolish when Bush was in office?

    I wonder if you guys even know what fascism and marxism are? And what are you talking about when you say "benevolent fascism?" There is no such thing. These slurs have gotten to the point where they have no meaning at all, and people call any belief you oppose "fascism" or "marxism."
    And you're guilty of the exact same thing.

    In reality, the sort of thing alms and NYC are advocating are much closer to fascism (though not identical to fascism) than anything I have said.


    Please explain how pointing out that the vast majority of economists support free trade is "close to fascism." Weren't you just complaining about people who misuse words they don't understand?
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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Sarcasm is the last refuge of a failed argument. The issue is not why corporations would do this. It's obvious why they would do it, for the money, of course! This is precisely why we need to regulate them, because they follow a predictable pattern of using whatever means possible to increase their profits at the expense of ravaging the American economy.
    Are you suggesting union demands have no bearing on the profitability / continuing viability of a corporation?

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Are you suggesting union demands have no bearing on the profitability / continuing viability of a corporation?
    What I'm suggesting is that the continuing viability of the American economy outweighs the continuing viability of multinational corporate robber-barons.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Please explain how pointing out that the vast majority of economists support free trade is "close to fascism." Weren't you just complaining about people who misuse words they don't understand?
    It's not a 'free market' in the US... it's crony / monopoly capitalism, or like 'coke-pepsi' situations where 1-5 companies control 90+% of the market share. Yes, you COULD argue that this was due to free-market policies, and yes you do still have the RIGHT to open a business, etc... but you're competing against entrenched companies that control almost all the business. The links between these companies can all be proven.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post


    Please explain how pointing out that the vast majority of economists support free trade is "close to fascism." Weren't you just complaining about people who misuse words they don't understand?
    To repeat, I said your beliefs are closer to fascism than mine. Not that your ideas are identical to fascism, just near to it. My own beliefs are farther left along the spectrum, yours are decidedly toward the right, which is by definition nearer to fascism. Nothing personal, that's just how it shakes out. If you find your proximity to fascism distasteful, perhaps your ought to reexamine your political beliefs instead of levying insult against me for telling the truth.

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    Re: Missouri man's incendiary sign on U.S. 71 draws fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What I'm suggesting is that the continuing viability of the American economy outweighs the continuing viability of multinational corporate robber-barons.
    I agree with your intention I disagree with your suggested means to that end.

    All we need to do is NOT bail these companies out/.... if they collapse under their own weight, no ammount of cash injections can save it. Especially when it's companies dealing in the 100's of trillions of dollars of derivatives that are not worth the paper they're not printed on.

    Also, shame on organizations like the SEC who should all be investigated at this point, for NOT enforcing the laws properly or equally... they should be criminally charged for negligence. The evidence to be gathered while investigation the big robber-barons / monopoly men crooks.
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