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Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

Hey, OC, tell us again how you are a Libertarian and exactly what Libertarians stand for? Then tell the group how you divert from the thread topic to whatever it is you want to discuss?
 
No comment on underemployment, and how it effects long term full employment rates.... Facinating!

If you can't find a job in 2 years you are not looking,or being picky or do not want to work. I am 56 and I do not think in all those years all my collecting of unemployment would add up to 2 years.
 
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By the way, still waiting for you to prove that the Bureau of Economic Analysis(bea.gov), Bureau of Labor Statistics(bls.gov), and the U.S. Treasury Deprt.(Back Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service) aren't as accurate as the so called elite economists that you continually quote?

Still waiting for you to show you understand linear regression. But thanks for proving my point about your reliance on aggregate net data that does not show the individual impacts on economic events. To those who remember my mockery of you, tell me Con, did the house burn down from arson, explosives, a gas leak, or bad wiring? How do you know? Did you investigate or just pick the option you like?

See thread:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/75420-hypothetical-criminal-investigation.html

Enjoy my signature. You should come downstairs once in a while.
 
OC, I deal in facts, not theory, keep spinning and ignoring the actual facts of BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Department. When you learn to take actual numbers and apply logic and common sense to them then you will be in tune with the majority in this country most of whom know that they elected a fraud. You claimed to have voted Libertarian but apparently don't understand even what a Libertarian stands for. I posted the platform which you ignored as well. It is human behavior that can be extracted from the data but you rely on theory and elite economists' opinions both putting you out of touch with reality.
 
Only a legend in his own mind thinks that aggregate net data which does not show any individual impacts due to specific economic events proves that only a single policy was responsible for the outcome.

Why did the house burn down? Well, our suspects are arson, bad wiring, lightning, gas leak, explosives, a kid playing with matches or a unwatched barbecue. Logical people investigate to determine which caused the fire. Not so with you. As I've pointed out time and time again, you just assume what you wish to be true. I keep bringing up linear regression because it is the sole statistical tool to separate out the impact of various complex economic impacts. That is how reasonable, intelligent and educated people determine which of many complex factors was in fact the primary cause.

I cited this thread:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/75420-hypothetical-criminal-investigation.html

Because it highlights the logical inconsistency of applying two radically different thinking processes to what is functionally the same issue. When there's a crime, we investigate to determine who did it. But here you are arguing without evidence, without proof, without anything but raw aggregate data that it was tax cuts.

The logic is the same. Replace crime with economic activity and suspects with economic impacts. You, as I've shown many times pick tax cuts, say it caused it and then post data that does not show anything you say is true and then insult people for asking you to actually do some work to prove it.

But as I am fully aware, you are a fundamental waste of time as you have conclusively proven you do not care about facts. Only reinforcing your unsupported bias.
 
I totally understand, facts like the bureau of economic analyis, bureau of labor statistics, and the checkbook of the United States offer don't matter to ideologues and others here who believe they are intellectually superior and thus can take actual facts and twist them to divert from reality.

OC, I don't care about your other thread, I don't care about linear regression, and I really don't care about any of your theory but instead I care about actual results and actual human behavior which generates those results. Not sure why anyone would listen to someone like you who has never run a business, employed anyone, made a payroll or paid business taxes thus has little credibility. You don't know how our economy works nor do you understand how to even research actual data and compare that to individual behavior.

The thread topic is Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless when the reality is Obama is creating more private sector jobless and has done nothing to promote private sector job creation. There are over 15 million unemployed Americans today up almost 4 million since he took office and signed that so called stimulus plan. So I can tell you what you can do with your linear regression or correlation does not mean causation argument and use those on people who actually care but produce nothing. My bet is you have a very small circle of friends all of whom haven't generated any value, employed anyone, or produced anything. Still waiting for you to tell us how long the unemployed should be paid unemployment compensation and where that additional money comes from? Why don't you form a committee of intellectual elites and debate the topic?
 
Anyone surprised Conservative has absolutely no idea what my post was about? I point out how raw aggregate data doesn't support his notion of only one policy due to its complete lack of quantification of impacts of specific polices and then he insults me saying that the same raw aggregate data shows he's right that it was just one policy. Wow. I'm glad I got an education.

I'd love to get an explanation as to how raw aggregate data which in no way quantifies the impact of specific policies shows the impact of specific policies.

Thanks for this:

I don't care about linear regression

That 100% proves my earlier statement of "you have conclusively proven you do not care about facts. Only reinforcing your unsupported bias."

You don't care about actually proving that your argument is true. You only care about saying it was. I had an English way back when he said "Show, don't tell" you clearly missed that lesson.
 
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Anyone surprised Conservative has absolutely no idea what my post was about? I point out how raw aggregate data doesn't support his notion of only one policy due to its complete lack of quantification of impacts of specific polices and then he insults me saying that the same raw aggregate data shows he's right that it was just one policy. Wow. I'm glad I got an education.

I'd love to get an explanation as to how raw aggregate data which in no way quantifies the impact of specific policies shows the impact of specific policies.

and he claims to have run a 200 million $ corp. Into the ground maybe because his understanding of worth and valuation is abysmal.
 
The only mention of Bush was the needed govt. oversight of the mortgaged backed security and the Bush Administration tried that in 2006 but was filibusterd by Dodd. As you stated there was a lot of blame to go around but it all started with the CRA and the desire of Democrats to put everyone in a home even though not everyone can afford a home.

It's a good and valid goal. Home owners are over all better citizens. However, that was hardly the only problem. And even a beginning can't be called the entire problem. Again, there is plenty of blame to go around. And that fact check is just an overview. We can dig deeper inton deregulation and how that entire thought process played a role as well.
 
LOL, prove that I ran a 200 million dollar business into the ground? You and the rest of those here that want to bully people around or put people down are insignificant and thus irrelevant. You make wild accusations that divert from the thread topic all in hopes of propping up your little insecure egos. Anytime you want to address the thread topic, the total disaster that obama is, or respond to the data reported by the sites I gave you let me know and I will respond. Obviously people that never ran a business have no clue as to where the money comes from that pays for the employees or supports the community. Obama came into office with 11 million unemployed, passed and signed a stimulus package and the unemployment today is over 15 million. Now he wants indefinite unemployment benefits yet you and others tell me where the money comes from.

You, OC, and others haven't a clue as to how our economy works, how human behavior plays into that economy, and what this President has done to destroy incentive and the private sector. You really don't care about others just like our President doesn't really care about the American people as evidenced by his policies and massive expansion of govt. power.
 
and he claims to have run a 200 million $ corp. Into the ground maybe because his understanding of worth and valuation is abysmal.

Or has no understanding of what statistics are. Or information. He did say that "I don't care about linear regression." Maybe that's why he destroyed so much wealth? Good CEOs want good information and want to know why things happened. Saying "I don't care about linear regression" is saying "I don't care why our sales are dropping" or "I don't care to know how our cost structure functions" or "I don't care to know how we make money." Understanding staistics and the underlying principles is vital to making sense of raw aggregate data. Raw aggregate data doesn't tell us anything. One needs to process it into a usable form and model to derive information. A bunch of sales receipts doesn't mean squat until you process it and expenses into an income statement with monthly comparisons. That's why I like staistical linear regression so much in economics. Determining the impact of one trait upon the whole lets us determine which was the cause and what policies should be enacted. It makes no sense to s pushing policies that regression shows have little corrolative strength to the outcome. We run regression because it sorts out the data into a usable form. Conservati;ve's constantly harping on raw data suggests to me he has quite literally no understanding of economics or business. Raw data in itself is useless and that's pretty much what the sites he posts are giving us. Raw aggregate data. Can you project income on raw aggregate data? No. You have to process it first. Can you determine in a new location will produce sufficent income to warrant investment on raw aggregate data? No.

I just can't understand how the notion of raw aggregate data can somehow prove singular complex economic events were the cause of the output. That makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
What far too many people do not understand is personal responsibility and consequences for negative actions because with liberals there are no consequences and always a bailout. It is the quality of people that make good home owners not the other way around. There are a lot of very bad people in this world that have no business being homeowners and will take advantage of any situation and handout which zero down payment loans are. Notice how much fraud there was in the first time home owner credit where millions were paid to people in prison? No matter how much social engineering you and others try to do, someone is going to take advantage of you and your attempt at good will. As long as someone else is paying then someone is going to be there to take and take and take.
 
Taking raw aggregate data is what you refuse to do. That data is in the sites I gave you but you ignore them. You also ignore human behavior including your own. You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are but your intellectually superior attitude makes you think you are more important than you really are.

You can continue to show your ignorance about how business and our economy operates and continue to put me down making wild claims you cannot substantiate but that doesn't make you smart and in fact makes you look petty and quite foolish. You also take the simple and make it complex all in an attempt to make yourself look smart. Sorry but when it comes to business and the economy you aren't very smart at all as evidenced by your posts.
 
Hey Guys,

If I have $5 in my wallet, what is the cause for that?

A) I sold something for $5
B) I stole $5
C) Someone gave me $5
D) I found $5 on the street

Can you determine from merely looking at my wallet how I got that $5?

Conservative thinks he knows the answer. All by simply looking at the $5.

Lesson to be learned here? Get an education, or you might end up like him.
 
Nice diversion, don't care where you got the $5 as long as it was legal nor do I care what you do with the $5 again as long as it is legal. That is the difference between me and a liberal. I know that $5 is going to have an affect on the economy whereas a liberal expects you to give that $5 to the govt. because they will spend it "better."

That is the point, the American consumer drives this economy and that consumer with more of their money makes this economy run and creates jobs thus new taxpayers thus driving govt revenue. Tax rate cuts put more in each paycheck, not just the rebate checks that Obama sent out to targeted individuals. Barack Obama has done nothing to increase the private sector job creation except put more uncertainty on that sector thus keeping unemployment high. That affects govt. revenue as well.

Now as for getting an education, if you are an example of what people turn out like with that education then most will come to the conclusion that it really isn't worth it. Some would call that being a book smart street stupid liberal.
 
Am I surprised you totally failed to understand the analogy? Does the Pope live in Rome? Does a bear do its business in the woods?
 
Does it matter to the average American? You are too busy analyzing everything that you ignore what is actually going on. Keep studying and then one of these days you are going to look back and wonder what happened to your life as you accomplished absolutely nothing.
 
Wow. Insulting me to compensate for your total failure to understand a very basic analogy. Thanks, you've been worth more then a few laughs.
 
LOL, prove that I ran a 200 million dollar business into the ground? You and the rest of those here that want to bully people around or put people down are insignificant and thus irrelevant. You make wild accusations that divert from the thread topic all in hopes of propping up your little insecure egos. Anytime you want to address the thread topic, the total disaster that obama is, or respond to the data reported by the sites I gave you let me know and I will respond. Obviously people that never ran a business have no clue as to where the money comes from that pays for the employees or supports the community. Obama came into office with 11 million unemployed, passed and signed a stimulus package and the unemployment today is over 15 million. Now he wants indefinite unemployment benefits yet you and others tell me where the money comes from.

You, OC, and others haven't a clue as to how our economy works, how human behavior plays into that economy, and what this President has done to destroy incentive and the private sector. You really don't care about others just like our President doesn't really care about the American people as evidenced by his policies and massive expansion of govt. power.

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
 
Keep laughing because that is what you always do to divert from your actual ignorance. Do you really think the average American gives a cr*p about your analogies? I have dealt with the average American and understand them better than you ever will. Continue with your linear regression, causation does not mean correlation and other intellectual theories and those that worked for me will continue to generate actual results and thus individual successes. That is a hard concept for the intellectual elite to understand as you and others prefer to keep the public dependent and thus victims.
 
Keep laughing because that is what you always do to divert from your actual ignorance. Do you really think the average American gives a cr*p about your analogies? I have dealt with the average American and understand them better than you ever will. Continue with your linear regression, causation does not mean correlation and other intellectual theories and those that worked for me will continue to generate actual results and thus individual successes. That is a hard concept for the intellectual elite to understand as you and others prefer to keep the public dependent and thus victims.

I asked you a question. Want to answer it?
 
That's a damn good question in this context. Especially considering Conservative doesn't address peoples' posts. Maybe he's talking to himself the whole time? That would make a lot of sense.

I've stopped wondering about some why some people go on like that. Sometimes its just a matter of having last word because the argument is being changed swapped out for something else "bait and switch"? out of desperation or intentionally does not matter. I get tired of it pretty fast. But is good to give em a run over anyhow make em work for it heh.
 
Looks like a cult of common sense ignorance. Gabriel you fit in quite well as you not only ignore the thread topic but the facts presented to you and the sites given. One of these days you too will grow up, maybe. If you don't you are going to look back and wonder what happened as you accomplished absolutely nothing.
 
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