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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Hey, OC, tell us again how you are a Libertarian and exactly what Libertarians stand for? Then tell the group how you divert from the thread topic to whatever it is you want to discuss?

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    By the way, still waiting for you to prove that the Bureau of Economic Analysis(bea.gov), Bureau of Labor Statistics(bls.gov), and the U.S. Treasury Deprt.(Back Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service) aren't as accurate as the so called elite economists that you continually quote?

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No comment on underemployment, and how it effects long term full employment rates.... Facinating!
    If you can't find a job in 2 years you are not looking,or being picky or do not want to work. I am 56 and I do not think in all those years all my collecting of unemployment would add up to 2 years.
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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    By the way, still waiting for you to prove that the Bureau of Economic Analysis(bea.gov), Bureau of Labor Statistics(bls.gov), and the U.S. Treasury Deprt.(Back Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service) aren't as accurate as the so called elite economists that you continually quote?
    Still waiting for you to show you understand linear regression. But thanks for proving my point about your reliance on aggregate net data that does not show the individual impacts on economic events. To those who remember my mockery of you, tell me Con, did the house burn down from arson, explosives, a gas leak, or bad wiring? How do you know? Did you investigate or just pick the option you like?

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    OC, I deal in facts, not theory, keep spinning and ignoring the actual facts of BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Department. When you learn to take actual numbers and apply logic and common sense to them then you will be in tune with the majority in this country most of whom know that they elected a fraud. You claimed to have voted Libertarian but apparently don't understand even what a Libertarian stands for. I posted the platform which you ignored as well. It is human behavior that can be extracted from the data but you rely on theory and elite economists' opinions both putting you out of touch with reality.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Only a legend in his own mind thinks that aggregate net data which does not show any individual impacts due to specific economic events proves that only a single policy was responsible for the outcome.

    Why did the house burn down? Well, our suspects are arson, bad wiring, lightning, gas leak, explosives, a kid playing with matches or a unwatched barbecue. Logical people investigate to determine which caused the fire. Not so with you. As I've pointed out time and time again, you just assume what you wish to be true. I keep bringing up linear regression because it is the sole statistical tool to separate out the impact of various complex economic impacts. That is how reasonable, intelligent and educated people determine which of many complex factors was in fact the primary cause.

    I cited this thread:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...stigation.html

    Because it highlights the logical inconsistency of applying two radically different thinking processes to what is functionally the same issue. When there's a crime, we investigate to determine who did it. But here you are arguing without evidence, without proof, without anything but raw aggregate data that it was tax cuts.

    The logic is the same. Replace crime with economic activity and suspects with economic impacts. You, as I've shown many times pick tax cuts, say it caused it and then post data that does not show anything you say is true and then insult people for asking you to actually do some work to prove it.

    But as I am fully aware, you are a fundamental waste of time as you have conclusively proven you do not care about facts. Only reinforcing your unsupported bias.
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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    I totally understand, facts like the bureau of economic analyis, bureau of labor statistics, and the checkbook of the United States offer don't matter to ideologues and others here who believe they are intellectually superior and thus can take actual facts and twist them to divert from reality.

    OC, I don't care about your other thread, I don't care about linear regression, and I really don't care about any of your theory but instead I care about actual results and actual human behavior which generates those results. Not sure why anyone would listen to someone like you who has never run a business, employed anyone, made a payroll or paid business taxes thus has little credibility. You don't know how our economy works nor do you understand how to even research actual data and compare that to individual behavior.

    The thread topic is Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless when the reality is Obama is creating more private sector jobless and has done nothing to promote private sector job creation. There are over 15 million unemployed Americans today up almost 4 million since he took office and signed that so called stimulus plan. So I can tell you what you can do with your linear regression or correlation does not mean causation argument and use those on people who actually care but produce nothing. My bet is you have a very small circle of friends all of whom haven't generated any value, employed anyone, or produced anything. Still waiting for you to tell us how long the unemployed should be paid unemployment compensation and where that additional money comes from? Why don't you form a committee of intellectual elites and debate the topic?

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Anyone surprised Conservative has absolutely no idea what my post was about? I point out how raw aggregate data doesn't support his notion of only one policy due to its complete lack of quantification of impacts of specific polices and then he insults me saying that the same raw aggregate data shows he's right that it was just one policy. Wow. I'm glad I got an education.

    I'd love to get an explanation as to how raw aggregate data which in no way quantifies the impact of specific policies shows the impact of specific policies.

    Thanks for this:

    I don't care about linear regression
    That 100% proves my earlier statement of "you have conclusively proven you do not care about facts. Only reinforcing your unsupported bias."

    You don't care about actually proving that your argument is true. You only care about saying it was. I had an English way back when he said "Show, don't tell" you clearly missed that lesson.
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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Anyone surprised Conservative has absolutely no idea what my post was about? I point out how raw aggregate data doesn't support his notion of only one policy due to its complete lack of quantification of impacts of specific polices and then he insults me saying that the same raw aggregate data shows he's right that it was just one policy. Wow. I'm glad I got an education.

    I'd love to get an explanation as to how raw aggregate data which in no way quantifies the impact of specific policies shows the impact of specific policies.
    and he claims to have run a 200 million $ corp. Into the ground maybe because his understanding of worth and valuation is abysmal.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The only mention of Bush was the needed govt. oversight of the mortgaged backed security and the Bush Administration tried that in 2006 but was filibusterd by Dodd. As you stated there was a lot of blame to go around but it all started with the CRA and the desire of Democrats to put everyone in a home even though not everyone can afford a home.
    It's a good and valid goal. Home owners are over all better citizens. However, that was hardly the only problem. And even a beginning can't be called the entire problem. Again, there is plenty of blame to go around. And that fact check is just an overview. We can dig deeper inton deregulation and how that entire thought process played a role as well.

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