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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Golden Boy, I don't see an answer to the question, since we are in a recession and Obama is doing nothing really to get us out of it, how long should people be entitled to unemployment benefits and after their initial benefits run out where does the money come from that pays those benefits?

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    Seems to me you have an entitlement mentality, not I. I started by career in business in 1970. How many recessions did I experience and work through? I was looking for a job when I found the one I got and held for 35 years. You aren't entitled to your pay, you are entitled tot he opportunity to keep your pay. A lot of people got layed off during my 35 year business career and I wasn't one of them. I did my job to keep myself valuable to the company. That kept me employed for over three decades. When people make themselves valuable to a company the company will reward them by keeping them on payroll. It is my personal responsibility to stay employed and make myself valuable to the company.

    Getting an MBA entitles you to what? People investing money take risk. Apparently that risk doesn't mean employing an MBA in some areas.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Gabriel, what a distorted view of reality. Facts always get in the way of an ideologue. This isn't about Reagan or even Bush, this is about the re-write of history. You buy what you are being told and ignore actual results. Go to BEA.gov and check economic growth and govt. revenue creation and both refute the Forbes article.

    My belief is liberals and supporters of Obama need to grow up. Personal responsibility is something everyone as to accept. The only entitlement people have is they are entitled to equal opportunity to get and keep a job. Reagan understood that the role of the govt. was to promote that opportunity and did so by giving people tax cuts so they can spend their money. The tax increases he generated were in payroll taxes which is Social Security which comes back to people at retirement. Now it is easy to blame tax cuts for the debt but I will take the 1.7 trillion Reagan and Congress generated to the trillion dollar debt Obama is creating each year and has already exceeded the Reagan 8 year debt in less than 2 years.

    Now you can spin the debt any way you want but the war is the least of the problems. It is an easy target for people incapable of doing research. Go to the U.S. Treasury website to see where money is going and you will find that entitlement spending takes up over 60% of the budget and that has nothing to do with the war. Taxing the rich or those evil corporations seems to be an easy way out for people who refuse to accept personal responsibility and have that entitlement mentality.

    You are right, the GOP didn't cut spending but Congress was controlled by Democrats from 2007 on and haven't either, in fact Obama has put the Bush spending on steroids generating nothing but a larger govt.

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    Underemployment will always be a problem until the private sector grows and is given the incentive to grow. Promoting govt. growth never has been the answer. Our economy was built on the private sector, 80% of which is small business not those evil corporations that liberals want to attack and thus divert from

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Golden Boy, I don't see an answer to the question,
    I answered the question, i just refrained from giving you something to spin. The "rule of thumb" is 26 weeks, where extensions are plausible based on both the velocity of job loss and the status of job creation following a major shift in labor markets. I can agree with this....

    since we are in a recession and Obama is doing nothing really to get us out of it, how long should people be entitled to unemployment benefits and after their initial benefits run out where does the money come from that pays those benefits?
    What the **** does "obama doing nothing really" have to do with unemployment insurance generosity? You have been given an explanation twice.

    If you are a Libertarian then you would know the answer to the question you asked. Since apparently you really aren't, let me help you

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    Shifting focus to me will not shield the fact that you are arguing from an ideological delusion. The "liquidationist" approach was an utter failure.


    Seems to me you have an entitlement mentality, not I. I started by career in business in 1970. How many recessions did I experience and work through? I was looking for a job when I found the one I got and held for 35 years. You aren't entitled to your pay, you are entitled tot he opportunity to keep your pay. A lot of people got layed off during my 35 year business career and I wasn't one of them. I did my job to keep myself valuable to the company. That kept me employed for over three decades. When people make themselves valuable to a company the company will reward them by keeping them on payroll. It is my personal responsibility to stay employed and make myself valuable to the company.
    Anecdotes mean nothing on the internet.

    Getting an MBA entitles you to what? People investing money take risk. Apparently that risk doesn't mean employing an MBA in some areas.
    No comment yet on underemployment?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Gabriel, what a distorted view of reality. Facts always get in the way of an ideologue. This isn't about Reagan or even Bush, this is about the re-write of history. You buy what you are being told and ignore actual results. Go to BEA.gov and check economic growth and govt. revenue creation and both refute the Forbes article.

    My belief is liberals and supporters of Obama need to grow up. Personal responsibility is something everyone as to accept. The only entitlement people have is they are entitled to equal opportunity to get and keep a job. Reagan understood that the role of the govt. was to promote that opportunity and did so by giving people tax cuts so they can spend their money. The tax increases he generated were in payroll taxes which is Social Security which comes back to people at retirement. Now it is easy to blame tax cuts for the debt but I will take the 1.7 trillion Reagan and Congress generated to the trillion dollar debt Obama is creating each year and has already exceeded the Reagan 8 year debt in less than 2 years.

    Now you can spin the debt any way you want but the war is the least of the problems. It is an easy target for people incapable of doing research. Go to the U.S. Treasury website to see where money is going and you will find that entitlement spending takes up over 60% of the budget and that has nothing to do with the war. Taxing the rich or those evil corporations seems to be an easy way out for people who refuse to accept personal responsibility and have that entitlement mentality.

    You are right, the GOP didn't cut spending but Congress was controlled by Democrats from 2007 on and haven't either, in fact Obama has put the Bush spending on steroids generating nothing but a larger govt.
    Libertarianism needs to be reined in. Thats all I'm gonna say. I won't argue with an idiolog about their faith. You stand corrected.

    Even Reagan Raised Taxes - Forbes.com

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    I lived and worked during the 80's, did you?

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I lived and worked during the 80's, did you?
    I am 40. My father was a conservative politician.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Underemployment will always be a problem until the private sector grows and is given the incentive to grow. Promoting govt. growth never has been the answer. Our economy was built on the private sector, 80% of which is small business not those evil corporations that liberals want to attack and thus divert from
    One of the main reasons behind unemployment insurance is to reduce the frequency of underemployment. My comment regarding MBA's at starbucks is a hyperbole, as such an epidemic would reflect ultra high levels of unemployment (>20%). You know little about unemployment insurance (judging from your responses).....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Golden Boy, I suggest learning to read, under employment will improve with a strong growing private sector, something Obama has yet to do.

    As for the anecdotes, they mean everything, showing that I did exactly what you say cannot be done. I made myself valuable and survived many recessions during my 35 year business career. I never considered my pay as a guarantee for life thus I worked hard to keep it and did, growing pay each year over those 35 years, including recession years, something apparently you do not understand.

    Notice that your profile claims to be a Libertarian an ideology that yo udo not understand thus I posted the platform. Notice the personal responsibilty plank in there? Didn't think so.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Libertarianism needs to be reined in. Thats all I'm gonna say.
    Libertarianism has been bastardized; thats all im gonna say.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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