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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by The Uncola View Post
    Nonsense. Republicans have distorted the "closure vote" into a weapon against there being any meaningful legislation passed, and they quite clearly in this case, don't care one bit about the peoples lives they have destoyed by undermining the economic fabric of our Nation through their years of unbridled DEFECIT SPENDING. Only now, that they have managed to drive the economic bus off the cliff, do they express concern about how much spending is. There was nary a peep from them when untold HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ in graft being handed out like candy to their death and war cronies. Righties can ALWAYS find the funds to kill, but NEVER give one **** about We the People.
    So you are saying the GOP is using the democrat policies from the Bush years.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

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    Unemployment insurance has always been intended to be temporary but the word temporary seems to have a different meaning to a lot of people. I continue to contend that unemployment insurance takes away incentive from far too many who seem to prefer staying home to actually looking for a job.
    I see, just a "hunch"....

    So what you are saying is, a person who made $1,000/ week before they were laid off should "desire" to work a job only paying $500/ week yet does not require them to perform tasks that they went to school/trained to do. And to expect you to comment on underemployment
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    What I find frustrating is the lack of civics understanding by far too many and the pure partisanship by ideologues on both sides. Fact is I am a conservative and proud of it. Fact is that I deal in reality not partisan ideology.

    Too many people ignore the fact that we have three equal branches of Govt. and today the Democrats control two of those three, Congress and the WH. What is also ignored is that Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2008 which was the last two years of the Bush Administration. That means they controlled the legislative agenda for the country. Bush couldn't get anything voted on that Pelosi-Reid didn't want thus it is the Democrats along with Bush that created the recession and more so the legislative branch that was the biggest contributor. Obama was part of that legislative branch but for some reason now that is ignored.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I see, just a "hunch"....

    So what you are saying is, a person who made $1,000/ week before they were laid off should "desire" to work a job only paying $500/ week yet does not require them to perform tasks that they went to school/trained to do. And to expect you to comment on underemployment
    Yes they should. Where I live $500 would be more than unemployment so take the job. I make less than I did in 2008 but I am not whining I am adjusting. When the economy is down take less and advance when the economy improves.
    Last edited by ptif219; 06-26-10 at 11:29 AM.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    I will ask you the same question others ignore, how long should unemployment insurance be authorized for the unemployed? Why is it that you and others take the extreme and make it the norm? Where does personal responsibility lie in your "Libertarian" world? Thought that is what Libertarians believed?

    Anyone making 1000 a week has to accept personal responsibility just like everyone else. Unemployment insurance was supposed to be temporary not a permanent "job."

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    That is accepting personal responsibility, something a liberal never does.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    OC, this is what you claim you voted for. Reconsile this with your defense of what Obama is doing

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I will ask you the same question others ignore, how long should unemployment insurance be authorized for the unemployed? Why is it that you and others take the extreme and make it the norm?
    During years of economic expansion, the 26 week threshold seems quite generous. During periods of contraction (such as this), extensions are a necessary component for demand stabilization.

    Where does personal responsibility lie in your "Libertarian" world? Thought that is what Libertarians believed?
    Ad homs prove what exactly? You initial premise was based on incentive; now you want to argue with me about my beliefs on "personal responsibility". Oh that's precious.

    Anyone making 1000 a week has to accept personal responsibility just like everyone else. Unemployment insurance was supposed to be temporary not a permanent "job."
    Which is where i ask you, once again, how your notion of personal responsibility effects labor markets. Unless of course MBA's working at starbucks serving coffee seems responsible to you....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, Reagan and Bush both gave across the board tax RATE cuts, not targeted tax cuts in the form of a rebate. The incentives to businesses were offset by upcoming higher taxes on healthcare, the concern about cap and trade, and biggest of all the anti business agenda of Barack Obama. You buy what you read and ignore reality. Maybe after spending 35 years in the business world you will better understand how business works.
    Umm.. libertarianism hasn't always been in control of the GOP. Your wrong about Regans taxation.

    Even Reagan Raised Taxes - Forbes.com
    The first part of that path entails raising higher revenues. Everyone remembers Reagan's 1981 tax cuts. His admirers are less likely to tout the tax hikes he accepted as the 1981 recession and his own tax cuts began to unravel his long-term fiscal picture--a large tax increase on business in 1982, higher payroll taxes enacted in 1983 and higher energy taxes in 1984. A decade later, when a serious recession and higher spending began to upend the fiscal outlook again, the first President Bush similarly raised taxes on higher-income people in 1991; Bill Clinton doubled down and raised them again in 1993.
    The insanity of libertarianism and the disasters that have reared their heads over the last couple years because of it are becoming more and more clear. Libertarianism is becoming a defenceless philosophy and it's mainly being proven by the effects of already implemented libertarian policies such as deregulation, taxation cuts.

    The debt and deficit spending is not being spent on “crazy liberal” social programs. The money is being spent on war, bailing out the banking industry, subsidizing big business and tax cuts for the weathly. Tax cuts are growing your debt because spending was increased and taxation decreased under Bush Jr. under the guidance of libertarianism. Deregulation is not owned by the republican party and indeed democrats are also responsible for it. So yes you can be a democrat and still implement libertarian policy.

    At any rate America needs to cut spending insanely or raise taxation. Given the greatest concentration of wealth is by far and away squarely in the top 10% (=50% of total wealth in America) of the income stratus it would seem to me a likely place to gain tax revenues.

    Libertarians need to grow up, deny their ideology for the sake of the country and stop being so dogmatic about their faith in zero taxation/regulation small government. The small government is a libertarian fantasy anyhow the GOP didn’t cut spending.

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    Re: Obama says GOP making life harder for the jobless

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes they should. Where I live $500 would be more than unemployment so take the job. I make less than I did in 2008 but I am not whining I am adjusting. When the economy is down take less and advance when the economy improves.
    No comment on underemployment, and how it effects long term full employment rates.... Facinating!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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