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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    First - this is amature hour at the White House yet again. Having Hillary let the cat out of the bag in South America on June 8th and no one from the WH directly contacting Arizona's governor? Reminds me of high school.

    Second - I don't think the actual law itself is un-Constitutional. I will bet that the DoJ will argue that the State doesn't have the right to pre-empt the Federal Government by issuing the law, as border security is under the jurisdiction of the Fed and not the State. On those grounds, the DoJ may have a case against the passage of the law.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If a State leaves the Union we say that they have seceded. What would we call it if a State was forced out (fired) from the Union?
    Can that actually happen?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    And even if it could happen it would presumably require the agreement of every other State in the Union, a goodly number of them actually agree with AZ reinforcement of an existing law.

    More to the point, can the Federal Government be sued for refusing to back up a law it had originally enacted?

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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    The Administration has stated the Feds are the ones to set immigration law. What the idiots don't seem to understand is AZ is not changing the federal law. It mearly gives a better means for the State to inforce it. I sure hope this is a one time President.
    AZ doesn't need to be enforcing this law, it is the responsibility of the US Gov't. Last time I heard, we had a department of homeland security, which contained ICE and Border Security. Had the fed's did their job, AZ would not have had the platform to pass the series of illegal immigration laws. HAD the US spent there money on securing our borders, we would not be having this discussion.

    Let's be frank, something had to be done, we are at war on the border, and we have to do something. As much as I hate to admit it, the only state that had the balls to do something about it was AZ. But their handling of it was a PR nightmare. If AZ would not have used a bigoted front man, Russell Pearce, to sponsor these bills, and if they would have addressed the last bill with strong anti profiling language from the beginning, they'd have got better support. Instead, the immigration issue was fodder for conservative politicians in our state that helped to propel a worthless govenor to become popular with conservatives and a narcistic sheriff to grab the lime light.

    Oh let's not kid ourselves, the law is working in AZ. Immigrants are leaving our state in large amounts. But many legal legit immigrants are leaving. Conservative will say, "great, collateral damage is a necessary evil." To a point, this may be correct, but our economy is suffering because the exit of legal immigrants, and the boycotts. It is sad, but there is a preception that they are going back to their countries of origin, nope, they are going to the other 49 states.
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It is you that is perpetually and mentally contaminated by anti-American leftist ideology. . .
    Lame, when someone does not agree with you, they are anti-American? The same old Right Wing rhetoric. If you are on the right and you critize the gov't, you are a patriot. If you are on the left and support it, you are a communist. I guess the only issues that are america are those that are supported by the right? Wow. Seriously, is this you can muster?
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The story is about the Governor of Az, but you couldn't resist a vile, ignorant attack on the President of the United States. How do you far-righties call yourselves Americans?

    You allow Limbaugh and Beck to fill your heads with hate and lies, then you spew it all back out on these boards.

    BTW - the President appoints an AJ. He has nothing to do with the day-to-day business of the DOJ.

    Let the courts review the law and stop with your stupid meaningless attacks on the President.
    Oh puullleeeeze.
    Crap oozes from everyone's pores on all ends of the spectrum once they encroach on the 'extreme' ends of belief and ideology. So don't point fingers at some right-wingers when, in order to fly, you have to have 2 wings: left and right.
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Can that actually happen?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    And even if it could happen it would presumably require the agreement of every other State in the Union, a goodly number of them actually agree with AZ reinforcement of an existing law.

    More to the point, can the Federal Government be sued for refusing to back up a law it had originally enacted?
    I like the points you are making, but I have to wonder when the other states are going to follow. Because without support by the other states with similar laws or without federal enforcement, the illegals are leaving AZ and going to other states instead of going home. Yeah, the States may be waiting the outcome of the court battles, but I tend to think they are also afraid of being boycotted. I like the statement about suing the US gov't for failing to perform their duties set out by the US Constititution. Can we sue them for failing to secure the border, allowing the banking industry to cripple our nation, failing to act quickly after a disaster, e.g. hurricane and oil spill, etc.?
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh puullleeeeze.
    Crap oozes from everyone's pores on all ends of the spectrum once they encroach on the 'extreme' ends of belief and ideology. So don't point fingers at some right-wingers when, in order to fly, you have to have 2 wings: left and right.
    Very true, and until the wing fly together, this great bird will continue on downward spiral. I need to rember this when I get pissed at the right. Thanks
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Very true, and until the wing fly together, this great bird will continue on downward spiral. I need to rember this when I get pissed at the right. Thanks
    Just don't forget that it puts the pilot dead center
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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    FOXNews.com - Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law



    This bucket of puke of a president is now in the business of suing individual states.

    What's next? Is he going to sue Texas over its gun laws? Is it going to sue Mississippi because it builds Toyotas without a union in place? Perhaps Montana for not legalizing medicinal marijuana?

    Arizona is quite simply deciding to enforce a law that was already in place, nothing more. And the overwhelming majority of Americans agree - upwards of 75 percent, in fact - despite the media's attempts to portray the nation as disgusted with Arizona.
    Let him bring it on, then these states can hand his ass to him.

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    Re: Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    FOXNews.com - Arizona Governor Vows to Fight Any Federal Lawsuit Over Immigration LawArizona is quite simply deciding to enforce a law that was already in place, nothing more. And the overwhelming majority of Americans agree - upwards of 75 percent, in fact - despite the media's attempts to portray the nation as disgusted with Arizona.
    No AZ created their own law. Had they wanted to enforce the law in place, they would have to have LE officers certified to deal with illegal immigrants.

    Your percentages are lame. It is more like 75% of the conservatives agree. No one has yet to produce an unbiased poll that does not ask unbiased questions to give unbiased answers. Show me where the poll was conducted, show me the exact questions, and show me who they asked. Even the 75% poll that demonstrated AZ supported the law is crap. The so called 75% was obtained for the number of AZ's that had previously voted for laws not allowing illegals to get schooling, work, etc. It was not this law. I wish they'd have put this law on the ballot. Had they done it, it would not have turned out to be a PR nightmare.

    Quit blaming the Media for this issue and making AZ look bad. We in AZ don't need your help to say it was the media's fault. The law was made by the Az legislature, signed by an AZ governor, and sponsored by a bigot, Russel Pearse, not CBS, et al. Conservatives always preach that one is supposed to accept responsibility for what they have done, unless it involves something that a conservative did.

    Besides after the US gov't sues AZ. AZ can sue them for not doing their job, going back to many different presidents, for many decades.
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