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After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overturn

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His main view is that gay marriage will not be allowed to happen. He is willing to (as a politician) disobey the law if gay marriage is legalized and not recognize them through some form of civil disobedience. The man wants to impose his views and morals upon everyone. Essentially "my view is that gays can't marry, and they won't marry and you will just have to like it!" Is this bigoted?

Are you not imposing your beliefs on someone else, denying them rights for no other reason than you don't like them. What name would give that if it was the standard for any other lawful group of people of your choice?
 
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Are you not imposing your beliefs on someone else, denying them rights for no other reason than you don't like them. What name would give that if it was the standard for any other lawful group of people of your choice?

Yes, yes I am. I am standing up for my beliefs and "imposing" them just as those in the pro gay marriage crows are standing up for their beliefs and "imposing" theirs. My main point is to expose the hypocrisy from the pro gay marriage crowed with their rhetoric and actions. My question was somewhat of a bait tactic, because the mayor of San Francisco has done everything I said the hypothetic anti-gay marriage politician did. the mayor of San Francisco preformed gay marriages on Valentines Day against the law of the land, those same sex marriages were annulled in court because they weren't legal. The mayer made this comment "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation. It's inevitable. This door's wide open now. It's going to happen, whether you like it or not." He is imposing his views upon others through civil disobedience and his comments.

The gay marriage debate is not about "you bigoted anti LBGT people want to deny them the right to marry." The gay marriage debate is about defining marriage. Both groups want to impose their definition of marriage upon everyone else, and in this situation voting is the best solution to enact some legal answer. Many want to spin rhetoric and cast the anti-gay marriage crowed as being "bigoted" or saying "how dare you, gay marriage affects you in no way." In my previous post I showed other views that many hold that affect them in no way, yet no one tells them it's wrong for them to hold them or vote for those beliefs. Outside of the spin and the bigotry, the issue is between two clashing definitions of marriage. One definition is "marriage is the union between one man and one woman." The other version is "marriage is a union between two people regardless of gender or trans-gender." Now, California voted to define marriage, and marriage was legally defined as a union between one man and one woman. This isn't about denying gays "rights," it's abut defining marriage. If marriage is between a man and a woman, then gays have no "right" to legally prop their relationship up as something equal to marriage. No one is outlawing homosexuality, and no one is forcing gay couples to separate. No harm is done to them, the only thing that affects them, is that their union is not marriage and will not be recognized as such. It is a grave and ironic hypocrisy for the pro-gay marriage crowed to impose their definition of marriage upon everyone in a state when they claim that the other side of the issue is oppressive and imposing of their beliefs. They are blind to their hypocrisy because they rationalize it as "the other side is the ones who want to deny rights, therefore they are the imposing ones. My view is not imposing because I want to extend rights by making gay unions equal to heterosexual marriage." They refuse to see that they are imposing their definition of marriage, and that the issue revolves around how marriage is defined. It is not bigoted nor is it denying someone their rights to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. It would be bigoted for me to force my belief upon countries like Canada where it is the law of the land and the majority approve of it.
 
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No, you are not. Standing up for one's rights is not the same as denying rights to others. You keep your rights. If same sex couples marry, nothing happens to your rights at all. Nothing. Therefore, there is no imposing on you at all. None. However, you deny them rights, and that is an imposition.

As for definition, again, you define it FOR YOU. No one is stopping you. But you are stopping others from defining marriage for themselves. Again, it is you and your side who are imposing. No one is doing **** to you. Not a thing.

And if you single out a group of people, and say we won't let you have rights equal to ours, I really don't know what other word to use. Perhaps there is one, but the fact is you and your side are imposing your beliefs on others without just cause, no matter what you call that.
 
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As usual, you are wrong. It is the anti-GM crowd whose entire argument is nothing but, "I don't like it". Nothing else. The only pertinent evidence that has been presented, has been presented by the pro-GM side. You have failed to prove anything.

I don't have to "prove" anything. I'm not the one trying to redefine marriage. I'm not the one trying to normalize homosexual behavior.

If that's the only argument you have seen from the pro-GM side, then you are obviously not understanding a thing that has been written in this thread. Just sayin'.

That comment doesn't deserve a response. Just sayin'.

It's kinda funny how some people keep using the word "prove" in some form as if they had presented factual information which qualitatively proves that GM is bad or will lead to something worse. Mostly it's just a hodgepodge of ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, and theocracy.

See Captain C's comment above.

As a Catholic I have no problem with the Bible. What I have a problem with is people thinking they can enforce their beliefs on others. That and that many don't know the Bible as well as they pretend. But I won't debate that here. Here all that is important is that you are free in this country to keep your beliefs. You don't believe in same sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. You believe in honoring your marriage the way you think it shoujld be, honor it that way. You don't want to go to a same marriage, don't go. But remeber in a free country, others may do it differently.

My beliefs say that my kids should be raised in a culture free of exposure to sexual excesses and perversions. Just like they should be free from fear of rape, robbery or murder. Like I said above, the pro-GM argument remains, "we want it, we must have it, therefore it's ours." There is no compelling argument, since gays already have nearly all rights of married couples. The real difference is in name only, which puts a lie to the whole "because we love each other" argument.

You've given no reasons whatsoever why millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of culture, should be turned on its head for the sake of a few misfits.
 
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That comment doesn't deserve a response. Just sayin'

Then why did you take the time to respond? Just sayin'. :roll:
 
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My beliefs say that my kids should be raised in a culture free of exposure to sexual excesses and perversions. Just like they should be free from fear of rape, robbery or murder. Like I said above, the pro-GM argument remains, "we want it, we must have it, therefore it's ours." There is no compelling argument, since gays already have nearly all rights of married couples. The real difference is in name only, which puts a lie to the whole "because we love each other" argument.

You've given no reasons whatsoever why millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of culture, should be turned on its head for the sake of a few misfits.

Where do you draw the line? Watched TV lately? How about the internet? What you define as sexual excess and perversion are singlular to you and yours. By all means, restrict yourself. Hide away. Pretend. But don't think you have the right in a free country to impose your standard on others. You don't.

As for my reasons, simple, this is a free country where all people are created equal. Rape, murde, and robbery are not illegal because we don't like them. They're illegal because we can show harm, real and clear harm to another. Remember your rights stop at my nose. Same here. You have the rigth to set and live by your standards, but you are not free to impose them on me or anyone else without showing just cause.
 
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You've given no reasons whatsoever why millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of culture, should be turned on its head for the sake of a few misfits.

Conversely, why should people be denied the fundamental right to marry someone they love because of some old bigots who think it's icky?
 
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My beliefs say that my kids should be raised in a culture free of exposure to sexual excesses and perversions. Just like they should be free from fear of rape, robbery or murder. Like I said above, the pro-GM argument remains, "we want it, we must have it, therefore it's ours." There is no compelling argument, since gays already have nearly all rights of married couples. The real difference is in name only, which puts a lie to the whole "because we love each other" argument.

You've given no reasons whatsoever why millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of culture, should be turned on its head for the sake of a few misfits.

This is 100% false on top of being hysterical and histrionic right from the beginning. The very first sentence attempts to indirectly assert an association between homosexuals and rape, sexual excess, and perversion. Then the poster goes right on to state, with dishonesty, that homosexuals have every right that heterosexuals have except the name of marriage. Followed up by marginalizing the homosexual community by calling them "misfits".


It never ceases to amaze me how his type reveal themselves with such abandon when they have their pitiful attempts at reasoned and measured argument crushed. The cracks show and the true agenda of bigotry, ignorance and hatefulness rears it's head.

But it's ok...his type is rapidly becoming less and less accepted in modern society. I am sure you will find plenty of them standing around a bon fire in some backwoods, swamp adjacent trailer park drinking their pabst, but anywhere that people breed outside their family bloodlines as a norm...he would not be accepted.
 
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No, you are not. Standing up for one's rights is not the same as denying rights to others. You keep your rights. If same sex couples marry, nothing happens to your rights at all. Nothing. Therefore, there is no imposing on you at all. None. However, you deny them rights, and that is an imposition.
So anything anyone considers a "right" it is wrong to deny them of it? What about the right of pedophiles and those who practice bestiality? What about their "right" to marry a child or animal? It is your opinion through your definition of marriage that homosexuals have the right to marry. It is my opinion that homosexuals have no right to marriage because their union does not fit my definition of marriage.
As for definition, again, you define it FOR YOU. No one is stopping you. But you are stopping others from defining marriage for themselves. Again, it is you and your side who are imposing. No one is doing **** to you. Not a thing.
And you can define marriage for you. However, California opened up a vote to legally enact opinion and make it law. My side is imposing our definition of marriage, your side is imposing your definition of marriage. That's how most social/political debates are.
And if you single out a group of people, and say we won't let you have rights equal to ours, I really don't know what other word to use. Perhaps there is one, but the fact is you and your side are imposing your beliefs on others without just cause, no matter what you call that.
Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else. There are no laws against them, there are no rights denied to them that I don't have for myself. What those on the pro-gay marriage side want to do is create new "rights" through their definition of marriage. This whole debate is absolutely about the definition of marriage. Either it is a union between a man and woman or it's a union between two people regardless of gender or trans-gender.
 
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So anything anyone considers a "right" it is wrong to deny them of it? What about the right of pedophiles and those who practice bestiality? What about their "right" to marry a child or animal? It is your opinion through your definition of marriage that homosexuals have the right to marry. It is my opinion that homosexuals have no right to marriage because their union does not fit my definition of marriage.
And you can define marriage for you. However, California opened up a vote to legally enact opinion and make it law. My side is imposing our definition of marriage, your side is imposing your definition of marriage. That's how most social/political debates are.
Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else. There are no laws against them, there are no rights denied to them that I don't have for myself. What those on the pro-gay marriage side want to do is create new "rights" through their definition of marriage. This whole debate is absolutely about the definition of marriage. Either it is a union between a man and woman or it's a union between two people regardless of gender or trans-gender.

Oh hey it's the exact same arguments used to justify bigotry again!
Here's my stance on rights: Until a legitimate reason to the contrary can be shown, I have the right to do anything and everything that I want. It is up to the government to show a particular reason why my marrying a dude somehow is harmful if they want to prevent me from doing it.

Edit: And bringing up animals and children again just shows your own ignorance.
 
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Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else

Yeah just like those blacks had the same rights as whites regarding marriage, they could marry within their race. No harm no foul there according to you with interracial marriage bans either since whites could marry whites and blacks could marry blacks.

Good to know where you REALLY stand.
 
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Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else. There are no laws against them, there are no rights denied to them that I don't have for myself. What those on the pro-gay marriage side want to do is create new "rights" through their definition of marriage. .

Wrong. You have the right to legally marry a woman, and I do not. Therefore, you have a right that I - as an adult, tax paying, legal citizen of this country - am denied.
 
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Oh hey it's the exact same arguments used to justify bigotry again!
Here's my stance on rights: Until a legitimate reason to the contrary can be shown, I have the right to do anything and everything that I want. It is up to the government to show a particular reason why my marrying a dude somehow is harmful if they want to prevent me from doing it.

Edit: And bringing up animals and children again just shows your own ignorance.
And that's your stance. Because I am a practicing Christian it is completely logical for me to not support gay marriage due to my belief that homosexuality is a sin. You have simply called me ignorant without discussing the points and illustrations I have made.

Wrong. You have the right to legally marry a woman, and I do not. Therefore, you have a right that I - as an adult, tax paying, legal citizen of this country - am denied.

And you have the right to legally marry a man, and i do not. The right to wed has to do with the opposite gender of what someone is.
 
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So anything anyone considers a "right" it is wrong to deny them of it? What about the right of pedophiles and those who practice bestiality? What about their "right" to marry a child or animal? It is your opinion through your definition of marriage that homosexuals have the right to marry. It is my opinion that homosexuals have no right to marriage because their union does not fit my definition of marriage.

No, you're committing a logical fallacy there. Children and animals can't consent; therefore we can show just cause. If you hinge your argument on defintion, which is something that changes with time, you have to show a just casue or reason why your definition is to be imposed on others who have a different definition.

And you can define marriage for you. However, California opened up a vote to legally enact opinion and make it law. My side is imposing our definition of marriage, your side is imposing your definition of marriage. That's how most social/political debates are.

California was wrong to vote on something that is up to a vote. It is an individual right. The major has no say in who I marry, who I love, or how I express that love with an non related adult human. All other diversions must stand on their own. If there is no just reason, no harm shown, there is no reason to deny it. And it is not your place to decide this for others.

Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else. There are no laws against them, there are no rights denied to them that I don't have for myself. What those on the pro-gay marriage side want to do is create new "rights" through their definition of marriage. This whole debate is absolutely about the definition of marriage. Either it is a union between a man and woman or it's a union between two people regardless of gender or trans-gender.

That's garbage and has always been garbage. If the reverse was true and you were free to marry someone of the same sex, don't tell me you wouldn't feel put upon. And definition means nothing concerning this debate. Feel free to define your marriage however you want. But leave others to define it for themselves.
 
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And that's your stance. Because I am a practicing Christian it is completely logical for me to not support gay marriage due to my belief that homosexuality is a sin. You have simply called me ignorant without discussing the points and illustrations I have made.

And you have the right to legally marry a man, and i do not. The right to wed has to do with the opposite gender of what someone is.

You still haven't demonstrated how you are harmed by two guys getting married.
 
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I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymmore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.

Actually, I destroyed your argument in two ways. Firstly by showing it to be inaccurate, and secondly by demonstrating your hypocricy. So, there is no "agree to disagree" since your positon has been rendered invalid.
 
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You still haven't demonstrated how you are harmed by two guys getting married.

Oh he's demonstrated that (to paraphrase) his feelings will be hurt if they legalize gay marriage. He would rather deny someone a right so his feelings won't get hurt.
 
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And that's your stance. Because I am a practicing Christian it is completely logical for me to not support gay marriage due to my belief that homosexuality is a sin. You have simply called me ignorant without discussing the points and illustrations I have made.
No, it would be completely logical for you not to practice homosexual acts due to your beliefs that it's a sin. It is not, however, logical in the slightest that you attempt to impose your beliefs on the populace in a secular society.


And you have the right to legally marry a man, and i do not.
Exactly. Inequality.

The right to wed has to do with the opposite gender of what someone is.
Duh. That's what we're working to change. Just like it used to be that men married 12 year olds against their will. That was changed. Just like women used to be the property of men when they wed, that was changed. Just like women were pretty much sold off in marriage. That was changed. Just like blacks couldn't marry whites. That was changed. Now, we're just going to change it yet again to coinicide with the changing of the times.
 
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No, you're committing a logical fallacy there. Children and animals can't consent; therefore we can show just cause. If you hinge your argument on defintion, which is something that changes with time, you have to show a just casue or reason why your definition is to be imposed on others who have a different definition.
Incorrect. A child can consent to sex. They can allow someone to have sex with them even though they aren't as mature. Many kids experience masturbation at young ages like 8 or 9. they can be attracted to the opposite sex and consent to sex. Animals can consent as well. They consent with each other, and who are you to judge what is the in the mind of an animal? My sisters female dog likes to hump people at times, so clearly she wants sex. My argument was for illustrative purposes to show you that anyone can claim that something is a "right."
California was wrong to vote on something that is up to a vote. It is an individual right. The major has no say in who I marry, who I love, or how I express that love with an non related adult human. All other diversions must stand on their own. If there is no just reason, no harm shown, there is no reason to deny it. And it is not your place to decide this for others.
That is only your opinion that it is an individual right. It is my opinion that it is not a right. The conflict was resolved by popular election to define marriage. When it's just my opinion against yours a vote is one logical conclusion when it comes to enacting policy and making legal definitions.
That's garbage and has always been garbage. If the reverse was true and you were free to marry someone of the same sex, don't tell me you wouldn't feel put upon. And definition means nothing concerning this debate. Feel free to define your marriage however you want. But leave others to define it for themselves.
Call it garbage, but it's truth. Homosexuals have absolutely the same rights that I have that are considered rights. Definition means everything with this debate, because Proposition 8 was about legally defining marriage. People can define marriage for themselves. A gay couple can call themselves married and have a ceremony, but their marriage is not legally recognized as marriage.
 
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I don't have to "prove" anything. I'm not the one trying to redefine marriage. I'm not the one trying to normalize homosexual behavior.

Yeah, you do. Evidence has been presented that proves you wrong. If you want to demonstrate that your position is anything other than pointless blathering, it is up to you to present alternate evidence. Thus far, you have presented bupkis.



My beliefs say that my kids should be raised in a culture free of exposure to sexual excesses and perversions.

Your beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to legalities. You have no right to not be offended. Too bad.

Just like they should be free from fear of rape, robbery or murder.

These are legal issues, not beliefs. You fail again.

Like I said above, the pro-GM argument remains, "we want it, we must have it, therefore it's ours."

You can say that until you're blue in the face. It is still invalid. Evidence on the pro-GM side has been presented. The only thing you have presented is "I don't like it and I don't want it". That is why your posts have demonstrated a laick of logic or evidence. You have presented nothing, as is typical with the anti-GM crowd.

There is no compelling argument, since gays already have nearly all rights of married couples. The real difference is in name only, which puts a lie to the whole "because we love each other" argument.

The argument has been presented several times. You are holding your hands over your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALA" because the argument destroys your position.

You've given no reasons whatsoever why millions of years of evolution, and thousands of years of culture, should be turned on its head for the sake of a few misfits.

You have presented no evidence to counter the evidence presented. Obviously because you have NONE.
 
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I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymmore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.


Paraphrasing: Heavens to Murgatroyd, Exit Stage Left...

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Text, you are one funny guy.

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Then why did you take the time to respond? Just sayin'. :roll:

D'oh! :rofl
 
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No, it would be completely logical for you not to practice homosexual acts due to your beliefs that it's a sin. It is not, however, logical in the slightest that you attempt to impose your beliefs on the populace in a secular society.
why is it not logical for me to stand up for what I believe? Likewise by your logic, it would be illogical for you to impose your beliefs on marriage on the populace of a secular society. With our secular society we may vote based on our beliefs.
Exactly. Inequality.
It is not inequality. We have the equal right to marry the opposite gender of what we are.
Duh. That's what we're working to change. Just like it used to be that men married 12 year olds against their will. That was changed. Just like women used to be the property of men when they wed, that was changed. Just like women were pretty much sold off in marriage. That was changed. Just like blacks couldn't marry whites. That was changed. Now, we're just going to change it yet again to coinicide with the changing of the times.
And that's en example of why we should vote and voice our beliefs. Just like with my belief on abortion, I am trying to change the laws because I don't view them as morally acceptable and right. We've debated that topic much, and I know it's your belief that abortion should remain legal. My point with bringing that up, is that just because something is currently instated doesn't mean it's wrong. However, we always have the right to challenge and try to change what we believe is wrong. If you believe marriage defined as a union between one man and one woman is wrong, then it's your right to stand up for those beliefs and legally try to make your beliefs law. Likewise, it is equally right for me to voice my beliefs and try to keep things law if I believe they are right and to change other things that I believe are wrong. That's the beauty of living in a democratic society.
 
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Digsbe... I'll tell you right now that the argument "gays have the same rights as straights... they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like me" is a loser argument. Ask yourself this question, honestly. What is the main reason that two people choose to get married, and THEN ask yourself if gays can do the same things as straights.
 
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So anything anyone considers a "right" it is wrong to deny them of it? What about the right of pedophiles and those who practice bestiality? What about their "right" to marry a child or animal? It is your opinion through your definition of marriage that homosexuals have the right to marry. It is my opinion that homosexuals have no right to marriage because their union does not fit my definition of marriage.

These are nothing more than attempts to appeal to the absurd. Neither animals or children can consent to sex with an adult nor can tehy enter any kind of contract. Further, both of the situations you mention can be proven to have injurious effects on the child or animal.

As to what your definition of marriage is...you can have whatever definition you want. I don't care what your definition is and you, likely, have as much apathy for my personal definition of marriage. What this argument is about is how the LAW defines marriage and how it treats citizens. I'm not going to walk into your church and demand that you gay marry me; I would appreciate the same respect when I form a union with my partner by keeping your church out of my legal contracts.

And you can define marriage for you. However, California opened up a vote to legally enact opinion and make it law. My side is imposing our definition of marriage, your side is imposing your definition of marriage. That's how most social/political debates are.

Homosexuals have every right that any one else has. They can marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else. There are no laws against them, there are no rights denied to them that I don't have for myself. What those on the pro-gay marriage side want to do is create new "rights" through their definition of marriage. This whole debate is absolutely about the definition of marriage. Either it is a union between a man and woman or it's a union between two people regardless of gender or trans-gender.

This is the single most obtuse and cowardly argument on the anti-gay marriage side of the debate; you can marry someone of the opposite sex just like I can. Well no ****, Sherlock. That doesn't make it equitable and it also diminishes marriage for everyone involved. It amuses me to no end that your type would rather a sham marriage devoid of romance, attraction and devotion take place so that you can have the right ratio of boy parts to girl parts to fit your sensibilities. You can sit here and rant and rave about homos tearing apart your marriages because they have buttsecks but you can't do the same with your 50% divorce rate. You wanna save marriage? Why aren't you out picketing divorce then?

And no, homosexuals do NOT have the same rights heterosexuals do. You can inherit everything of your spouse's without the state laying claim to a portion but a gay couple cannot transfer property so easily. You can be guaranteed the right to visit your spouse in the hospital with no additional paperwork needed but a homosexual has to draw up expensive legal documents to guarantee that right. You can go before the state and not be concerned that your spouse will have to testify against you in court, but the homosexual does not have that security.

It all boils down to this: you can name the object of your affection as your one irreplaceable person in this world to act and speak, legally, in your stead and the state and society have to accept their word as your word in all things because the law looks at you as a single entity. Homosexuals have no such rights. So don't sit there and tell me it's equal rights, pal. Don't sit there and smugly think you're on to something and that it settles the matter because it doesn't. It may be equal in a grossly simplistic fashion but it isn't liberty and it isn't freedom for the homosexual...not like you have it.

And all because you have to cry foul over the use of a word for legal purposes by your fellow citizens. A word you don't own to start with and if you, as heterosexuals, had treated with more respect socially up until now, might not feel so diminished at all. The problem with the sanctity of marriage isn't homosexuals getting married. It's heterosexuals stomping all over the meaning of it all along and then acting as if they have a right to be indignant about it in light of how they've mistreated marriage while it was under their sole discretion.

Do you mind if I laugh now because that's really the only response I have left?
 
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