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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    WE almost have the full set now. We have incest and pedophilia, now we just need bestiality and polygamy and we have the full set of gay marriage red herrings.
    YAY, a game of Gin Rummy using all the idiot arguments as they surface in the thread.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    YAY, a game of Gin Rummy using all the idiot arguments as they surface in the thread.
    Did anybody use the "Gays are allowed to marry -- they can marry people of the opposite sex" argument yet, or has that fallen out of vogue lately?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Don't expect me to call it a marriage.
    The only thing I expect you to do is to stay out of other people's business where it doesn't concern you. That's it. You personally don't have to call it marriage, but the marriage license being a government recognized and issued contract should be made available to all couples.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    I've always found it hilarious how conservative views on personal liberty and choice make a complete u-turn when it comes to things they personally disapprove of. Keep the government out of my _____!! (except marriage. they should totally be able to decide who I can and cannot marry!)

    edit: I mean really, you're opposing two consenting, adult people being able to enter into a legal contract with eachother because you have some sort of moral or religious opposition to their sex life.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They have no right to overturn prop 8. This would be a giant smack to the face of democracy. the people voted and prop 8 set marriage as a man and woman in California. How dare they do this, if it is overturned this would just be a disgrace to democracy and a defeat for the rights of voters.
    Thanks for highlighting the main danger of strict democracy. Which is why we're a democratic Republic, where we place the emphasis on the rights and liberties of the individual.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    From a different legal perspective, what about the Contract Clause of the federal Constitution?

    "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility"

    If the government considers marriage a legal contract, then it seems the States cannot prevent the people involved from entering into it as they wish. If two people of the same sex enter into a marriage contract, then this clause seems to prevent the States from stopping it.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    .....whereas homosexuality contributes nothing and obviously wants all the benefits of marriage.
    Sure it contributes to something, population control. It makes sense that if a species populates at a faster growth rate than normal, evolution would take the path of some sort of population control.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I've always found it hilarious how conservative views on personal liberty and choice make a complete u-turn when it comes to things they personally disapprove of. Keep the government out of my _____!! (except marriage. they should totally be able to decide who I can and cannot marry!)

    edit: I mean really, you're opposing two consenting, adult people being able to enter into a legal contract with eachother because you have some sort of moral or religious opposition to their sex life.
    This is one post of yours that I can completely agree with.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    From a different legal perspective, what about the Contract Clause of the federal Constitution?

    "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility"

    If the government considers marriage a legal contract, then it seems the States cannot prevent the people involved from entering into it as they wish. If two people of the same sex enter into a marriage contract, then this clause seems to prevent the States from stopping it.
    Hi ALex, nice to see you posting again. Wish you posted here more often, I always enjoy your perspective.

    It's an interesting view. Not sure how well it would do in court. Going to have to look into it though.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    WE almost have the full set now. We have incest and pedophilia, now we just need bestiality and polygamy and we have the full set of gay marriage red herrings.
    They're not red herrings when the arguments being used to justify same sex marriage would also justify incestuous and polygamous marriages-- you can't argue that the State cannot prohibit consenting adults from marrying whomever they choose and then argue that the State can continue to prohibit certain couples from doing so. If you concede that the State has a legitimate interest in regulating marriage, you concede that it has the authority to prohibit same sex marriages as well, whether or not you believe that they should do so. In order to argue that the State should allow same sex marriages without allowing any marriage, you have to show some reason that same sex marriages benefit society in a way that incestuous and/or polygamous marriages do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    If the government considers marriage a legal contract, then it seems the States cannot prevent the people involved from entering into it as they wish. If two people of the same sex enter into a marriage contract, then this clause seems to prevent the States from stopping it.
    Marriage is not a contract, and my response to Redress above indicates why it should not be considered as one. Marriage is a social institution that involves more than just the two spouses.

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