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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Does it really matter?
    It's critical.

    Your typical opponent to gay marriage is the religious right, not heterosexuals.

    Please validate your example of hypocrisy be showing that Britteny Spears even opposes gay marriage.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I didn't make any comment about conservative vs liberal here. I simply commented on how heterosexuals have defended the sanctity of marriage in the past and held that incident up as an example of how their concern is misplaced on homosexuals when the egregious offenders have, thus far, been heteros.
    The religious right, not heterosexuals, argue such points.

    Even though your marriage has no measurable affect on me, I know that your marriage is a sacred bond and I value it as such. You are in the fold. Your union matters. Your marriage has objective value.

    The 'sanctity' argument brought by the religious right is fundamentally virtuous and true even though it has been bent to serve a politically expedient end.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    Schools should be funded soley through a voucher program, not property tax. Proximity to a school would rightly increase the property value, but no special tax should be levied for the school.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's critical.

    Your typical opponent to gay marriage is the religious right, not heterosexuals.

    Please validate your example of hypocrisy be showing that Britteny Spears even opposes gay marriage.
    I don't need to since all I did was illustrate that heterosexuality does not make the marriage automatically sacred and that the sanctity of marriage people have misplaced their outrage since the only people currently undermining the sanctity of marriage are heteros.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't need to since all I did was illustrate that heterosexuality does not make the marriage automatically sacred and that the sanctity of marriage people have misplaced their outrage since the only people currently undermining the sanctity of marriage are heteros.
    I'm getting the felling that I jumped in right at the end of someone else's religious argument.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm getting the felling that I jumped in right at the end of someone else's religious argument.
    LOL, yeah pretty much.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Absolutely this includes same-sex couples. The state's interest in marriage is the raising of children, not promoting or demoting sexual preference.

    IMO there is no meaningful difference between a same-sex couple raising children and an opposite-sex couple raising children. Neither is there any meaningful difference between a gay couple who have decided never to have children and any childless hetero romantic relationship one can dream up. One matters to everyone, the other is your own private business which affects only those directly involved.
    I just have to say it does my heart good to be able to talk to someone with whom I have disagreements on other issues to say that a common ground is found. We can quibble about other things, but I respect your opinion and it just seems so rare on this board, that I feel the need to applaud the rarity of finding something resembling it.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is no right to marriage.........Its a privilege that every man and woman in this country have.......Gays want a special privilege........
    Wrong. The USSC disagrees. Regardless...even it it were a Privilege...the Government cannot discriminate in the application of that privilege without having a legitimate governmental interest for doing so. You anti-gay folk have never been able to pose a single legitimate government interest that doesn't rely on your religious beliefs...and religion cannot be the basis for government supported bigotry.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There is no right to marriage.........Its a privilege that every man and woman in this country have.......Gays want a special privilege........
    Wrong, since marriage is a contract and the individual has right to contract, marriage is by default a right. And gays don't want special privilege, just equal recognition and exercise of rights.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wrong, since marriage is a contract and the individual has right to contract, marriage is by default a right. And gays don't want special privilege, just equal recognition and exercise of rights.
    The State is a signing party in said contract, it is not one among individuals. In fact the individuals all ready made their own private agreements and then decided to seek more by bringing their relationship to the public forum with a marriage.

    Anyway, the contract regards couples raising children, and does not apply to couples not performing the contracts intended purpose any more than a general contractor's license applies to practicing law. The state does not stop any such strictly legal contract from being drawn and entered by strictly private persons. Gays are free to make them now as they always have been.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The State is a signing party in said contract, it is not one among individuals. In fact the individuals all ready made their own private agreements and then decided to seek more by bringing their relationship to the public forum with a marriage.

    Anyway, the contract regards couples raising children, and does not apply to couples not performing the contracts intended purpose any more than a general contractor's license applies to practicing law.
    That is not true. Nowhere in any state's laws does it say that the state endorses marriages for raising children. It is your own contention that marriage is for raising children, not any state's contention. This is especially true in those five states that specifically state that certain couples cannot get married unless they can't have their own children.

    The states' interest in marriage is more likely (from the evidence of who can get married and the lack of needing an explanation of why they are getting married) to protect the people involved in the marriage and to encourage marriage, regardless of whether or not the couple is planning on being parents or not.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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