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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ok so let me get this straight. You don't want people to "Force Liberal Morality" on you... but you're quite happy forcing Conservative Morality on others... I'm sorry Dig, but that simply doesn't make sense... it's what they call a "Contradiction"
    And he would only be able to cry foul about a morality being forced on him if someone were advocating for him to have to get gay married. If someone were actually advocating that homos go into his churches and strong arm ministers to marry them and give them the sacrament of marriage religiously, then he could cry and moan about it. And you know what? I would come down in his defense.


    But no one is advocating that. No one is taking from him or forcing him to do anything. But he certainly doesn't mind taking from others to suit his outdated religious sensibilities.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yep. If liberal morality was the majority in my state, and they voted to define marriage as a union between two people of any gender then I would have to be fine with it. However, if the government took my state's right away to define marriage and forced them to repeal their definition then that would be wrong. I support the state's rights to define marriage. Would it not be a contradiction the other way around? For socially liberal people to force their definition of marriage upon social conservatives? Please read my illustration about if I was Canadian.
    Nothing is being forced upon you... and by your own logic... what would you say if the Nation held a referendum on Gay Marriage and approved it over the states... what would you do then?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    However, if the government took my state's right away to define marriage and forced them to repeal their definition then that would be wrong.
    So it was wrong, by your definition, for the SCOTUS to take the states' right away to define marriage between a man and woman of the same race and repeal their definition? The people of those states specifically voted to make marriage between a man and a woman of the same race.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Yep. If liberal morality was the majority in my state, and they voted to define marriage as a union between two people of any gender then I would have to be fine with it. However, if the government took my state's right away to define marriage and forced them to repeal their definition then that would be wrong. I support the state's rights to define marriage. Would it not be a contradiction the other way around? For socially liberal people to force their definition of marriage upon social conservatives? Please read my illustration about if I was Canadian.
    Aren't you forcing your view on the minority? What's your just cause? What all can we force on you?

    Face it, no one is forcing anything on you. You are still free to marry. It is you and those who believe as you do who are forcing your views on others.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That would infringe upon State's rights though and be an unconstitutional act in and of itself. As long as marriage licenses are issued by the state, then the state gets to define what is marriage and what isn't. The federal government doesn't have the right to overturn state constitutions and force liberal morality upon an entire state because they feel like it.
    Sure they do, when State laws run afoul of the US Constitution. Its called the "Supremacy Clause".
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Aren't you forcing your view on the minority? What's your just cause? What all can we force on you?

    Face it, no one is forcing anything on you. You are still free to marry. It is you and those who believe as you do who are forcing your views on others.
    Absolutely....and once again, people using "religion" to attempt to "justify" their bigotry.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh it most certainly is unconstitutional. It just hasn't been challenged properly yet. There is already precedent that the State may not impose separate penalties based on society's moral disapproval (that was a case won against the state of Iowa at the SCotUS level) and citizens of other states that do accept gay marriage will continually challenge DOMA and other fallacious attempts to limit individuals' rights to move freely between states without having their most important civil contracts dissolved. Further, the full faith and credit clause comes into question and the 14th Amendment will continue to be a thorn in the side of religious zealots trying to enforce their moral code through the State. You can vote on it until you all drown in the pile of worthless ballots but the challenges will just keep coming until you wear yourselves out or your religious fervor for this issue dies when you find some new cause to crusade against.
    It is not unconstitutional and fits perfectly in line with our laws and founding documents. No where in the constitution does it say homosexuals must have the right to marriage. These laws and propositions of defining marriage have been challenged pretty much every time they were pushed, and they were never stopped or ruled unconstitutional. People can challenge DOMA, but realize it passed with overwhelming support and is completely constitutional. A state has the right to extend a civil contract, and others have the right to dissolve them. Please stop with your flame bait language referring to those against the homosexual agenda as "religious zealots." The fact is that it's perfectly legal to define marriage as it is a social institution upheld at the state level. The federal government has defined marriage as a union between man and woman, but they also give the states their rights to define marriage and issue the marriage licenses. The fact is that a homosexual union does not fit the definition of marriage, and this it should not be recognized as such a union. They can call it a civil union or whatever, but it isn't marriage.
    Christianity is fading. In your lifetime you will see it die a slow death as more and more people recognize that they don't need your churches or your corrupt preachers to have spiritual faith. The more your type attempts to limit liberties with one hand while condoning the very sins against your sacraments that you pretend to be protecting with the other, the more you will garner support for your opposition.
    Christianity is fading in this country, that doesn't mean we can't see a revival or growth. Although, the fading of Christianity is perfectly in line with what the Bible says. It says as the end times approach, the world will begin to go into a depraved and warped sense of wicked morality, and that the righteous will become few in number and persecuted. I have nothing further to say about your offensive and completely irrelevant comments regarding Christianity and my faith.
    And there is one final card to play in this game: there is always the play to remove the state from marriage altogether, nullifying of yours what you attempt to horde from us. If it comes to that, I don't doubt for one minute that the fight will move in that direction. The more you tell someone they can't have something, the more you make them want it and fight for it.
    Great, so through dishonesty and rage they will force homosexuality to be recognized as marriage, or deny everyone's rights to have marriage as a legal contract That is true bigotry.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely....and once again, people using "religion" to attempt to "justify" their bigotry.
    And one again, people using "inclusive definitions" to attempt to "justify" their bigotry.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And again...no one really gives a **** what you and your kind define marriage as. We only care how the law treats people. You can define it as the sour mess you people have treated it as all along with your 50% divorce rates, your Brittney Spears 24 hour marriages "just for fun" and your high infidelity rates. No one gives a flying rat's ass if you do that and if heteros continue to treat it with shame and disrespect. However, when you try to enforce that definition through rule of law on others who don't share your views, then we have a problem.

    So Catholics believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman with limited recourse for divorce. Do you find it so bigoted that they are forced to accept the no fault divorce that comes along with marriage now? Somehow I think not.
    So no gays will ever use a drive-though chapel is what you're arguing? No gay youth celeb will ever marry and have his life fall apart?

    I thought you said gays were just like everyone else?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Aren't you forcing your view on the minority? What's your just cause? What all can we force on you?

    Face it, no one is forcing anything on you. You are still free to marry. It is you and those who believe as you do who are forcing your views on others.
    Pro-gm is not forcing anything on anti-gm....wait didn't someone just force a stereotype of Britney Spears and drive-through chapels on conservative Christians (who, by the way, are not the people using said drive-through chapels, etc)?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And one again, people using "inclusive definitions" to attempt to "justify" their bigotry.
    This comment makes ZERO sense. How is being inclusive and believing that rights and privileges extended to one group should be extended to all = to Bigotry?
    It is the opposite of Bigotry.

    Bigotry is believing that only certain groups should be entitled to rights/privileges because they are somehow more deserving than other groups.

    Now...lets apply this to the current situation: I believe that the right/privilege to marry should be extended to everyone regardless of race,gender, sexual orientation.
    You believe that only certain people should be extended that privilege.

    I think it is pretty clear where the bigotry lies.
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