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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It has been ruled not a "right" my more states. Regardless...

    The debate is about the definition of marriage. People who are against gay marriage aren't homophobes, bigots, or against equality. We define marriage as a union between a man and a woman, nothing bigoted about that. I am all for civil union benefits and some kind of legal status for gay couples, but I won't allow it to be called marriage or recognized as such. California voted to define marriage, not to ban homosexuality. Californians voted, and the majority voted to define marriage as a union between a man and woman. It is bigoted to impose the definition that marriage is between any consenting adult upon the majority who voted to define it as a union between a man and woman.
    Words don't belong to any particular group....and sorry, you are wrong, people who seek to deny rights/privileges to others that they believe that they themselves are "entitled" to are absolutely bigoted.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    very well said.
    Except he's wrong about what this is about. It's not about the definition of marriage, it's about equal treatment. You can personally call a same-sex marriage something else if it makes you feel better, but that's not good enough to have the government impose that definition on people.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except he's wrong about what this is about. It's not about the definition of marriage, it's about equal treatment. You can personally call a same-sex marriage something else if it makes you feel better, but that's not good enough to have the government impose that definition on people.
    It is about defining marriage. In your definition of marriage a homosexual union is the same as a hetero one. In my definition of marriage a homosexual union isn't marriage. I am for civil unions and giving them a legal status, but not marriage. Why is it ok for the government to impose your definition on everyone?
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is about defining marriage. In your definition of marriage a homosexual union is the same as a hetero one. In my definition of marriage a homosexual union isn't marriage. I am for civil unions and giving them a legal status, but not marriage. Why is it ok for the government to impose your definition on everyone?
    In answer to your question: A little document called the Constitution.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is about defining marriage. In your definition of marriage a homosexual union is the same as a hetero one. In my definition of marriage a homosexual union isn't marriage. I am for civil unions and giving them a legal status, but not marriage. Why is it ok for the government to impose your definition on everyone?
    You're free to consider a marriage to be whatever the hell you want it to be. No one can impose anything on you in that regard. The only thing we care about is that the government recognizes same-sex unions in the same manner they recognize opposite sex unions. You're free to go on believing whatever the hell you want to.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except he's wrong about what this is about. It's not about the definition of marriage, it's about equal treatment. You can personally call a same-sex marriage something else if it makes you feel better, but that's not good enough to have the government impose that definition on people.
    So you are open to all forms of marriage without descriminating against age, number of people or family bond? If you say no you yourself just denied equal treatment to people.


    This is the fallacy that pro gay marriage people always seem to fail to understand.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It is about defining marriage. In your definition of marriage a homosexual union is the same as a hetero one. In my definition of marriage a homosexual union isn't marriage. I am for civil unions and giving them a legal status, but not marriage. Why is it ok for the government to impose your definition on everyone?
    Civil Unions and domestic partnerships are nothing more than paper coated terms or politically correct terms for marriage. If I call a cow dung a T-Bone steak are you going to eat it? **** no you wouldn't eat it because changing the name of something does not make it different. Civil Unions, domestic partnerships and other similar terms is nothing more than a con by closet gay marriage supporters to weasel in gay marriage and a ploy by politicians to kiss that ass of both the opponents and proponents of gay marriage. Its like calling a bong a water pipe because its illegal in a certain area to have a bong but legal to have a water pipe.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So you are open to all forms of marriage without descriminating against age, number of people or family bond? If you say no you yourself just denied equal treatment to people.


    This is the fallacy that pro gay marriage people always seem to fail to understand.
    No, it is not a fallacy at all. It's a ridiculous notion brought up by people who want to discriminate against consenting adults. If you want to lower the age of marital consent, that's a different matter. (and I'm all for it, btw)

    As it is currently, though, CONSENTING ADULTS can marry, children cannot. Just like adults can go to war, drink, drive, etc, etc. If you wish to allow 2 yr olds to drive because you think it's discriminatory, then I guess it's your perogative to petition for such legislation. But don't attempt to liken it to the fact that you - as a consenting adult - are allowed to marry a consenting adult woman, while I - another consenting adult - am not.

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