Page 38 of 61 FirstFirst ... 28363738394048 ... LastLast
Results 371 to 380 of 609

Thread: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overturn

  1. #371
    User
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    06-22-10 @ 03:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    111

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Then there's the claim that gay marriages would lead to a more monogamous lifestyle, while simultaneously pointing to the fact that straights have a 50% divorce rate. Is someone suggesting that gays are more monogamous than straights? I'd like to see the evidence of that lol. This is a "kitchen sink" style of debate that entails throwing tons of senseless crap and hoping something sticks. I'll be looking for another forum where people can demonstrate a tad bit of critical thinking. Laters.

  2. #372
    Doesn't go below juicy
    tacomancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Cleveland
    Last Seen
    05-20-16 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    31,781

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    That's wrong. HE claims "normal is a value judgement" which is supposed to prove somehow that gay marriage is okay? Wow, the lack of critical thinking here is stunning. You see, you can't prove a point by claiming everyone else is wrong.
    The idea of normal depends entirely on appropriateness within a certain context. In this case, the context is a social one, which can change with time, place, people, expectations, morals, resources, or any other number of variables. In other words, what is good and useful within one situation may not be so in another. However, ultimately, because we are dealing with society, and societies vary, there can never be such thing as an objective normal standard, again, because it depends on the context in which it is held.

    So, something may seem normal to you, or me, or CC. But that idea of normal is going to be different, because we are all individuals with different ideas. Ultimately, this means it is a value judgement because of our different internal contexts.

    So yeah, what CC said, with a little critical thinking to satisfy your complaint.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Yes I admit I misread the statistics. But even if the number is one in ten (as in this study) it is hardly a ringing endorsement for gay marriage or homosexual lifestyle.
    People are often going to behave to stereotypes that are forced on them by the greater society. Sociology 101. Conservsely, if a more tradition setting is allowed and somewhat more expected, people are going to be more likely to take up those roles and those numbers will drop.

  3. #373
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    That's wrong. HE claims "normal is a value judgement" which is supposed to prove somehow that gay marriage is okay?
    OK is another value judgment. Further, he didn't say "gay marriage is ok because normal is a value judgment". He said your stance was lacking because it relied on a value judment. You should take a breath and think before you post.

    Wow, the lack of critical thinking here is stunning. You see, you can't prove a point by claiming everyone else is wrong.
    That's not what's happening here. However, in a debate, it is in the best interest of the opponent to diminish the arguments of the other side and point out where they are invalid.

    Yes I admit I misread the statistics. But even if the number is one in ten (as in this study) it is hardly a ringing endorsement for gay marriage or homosexual lifestyle.
    Well, if it's 9 in 10 heterosexuals dying of AIDS, that's not really a ringing endorsement of heterosexuals either.

    I keep thinking you are on the verge of making a point here but you keep falling short. Do you need a moment to collect your thoughts, breathe, and then come back to this when you have figured out what it is you are trying to say?

  4. #374
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Then there's the claim that gay marriages would lead to a more monogamous lifestyle, while simultaneously pointing to the fact that straights have a 50% divorce rate. Is someone suggesting that gays are more monogamous than straights? I'd like to see the evidence of that lol. This is a "kitchen sink" style of debate that entails throwing tons of senseless crap and hoping something sticks. I'll be looking for another forum where people can demonstrate a tad bit of critical thinking. Laters.
    No, the point of bringing up the 50% divorce rate was to point out that straights have no room to talk about sanctity when it comes to marriage. Secondly, 50% divorce rate in heterosexuals doesn't diminish the benefit of increased monogamy that is a result of the institution of marriage to start with. There are a plethora of beneficial social changes that occur because of marriage; monogamy is but one debatable benefit.

  5. #375
    Liberal Fascist For Life!


    Redress's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:11 PM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    93,301
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.
    Let's see, you have failed to do this, entirely. You have failed to counter any argument for gay marriage. You have claimed you could prove something that you have entirely failed to claim, but you have managed to make a painfully long list of entirely irrelevant and without context.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

  6. #376
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    I'll be looking for another forum where people can demonstrate a tad bit of critical thinking. Laters.
    Run Forrest, Run!!!!!!!!

    This is nothing more than you swishing off in a huff cuz you got owned. Just man up about it and grow from it. Or you can storm off in a priss fit only to have the same thing happen to you when land at the next forum.

    But you know, it's everybody else. It couldn't possibly be you even though you're the only one having the problem.

  7. #377
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Oh he's demonstrated that (to paraphrase) his feelings will be hurt if they legalize gay marriage. He would rather deny someone a right so his feelings won't get hurt.
    Well it's slightly better than the "we have to be controlled in such a way as to not do anything that would require one to parent his kids" as some have put forth. In the end, there is no logical or rational argument presented for denying same sex marriage. It's all more rooted in one's personal morals or religion. Well government doesn't enforce personal morals or religion. It is here in defense of the rights and liberties of the individual. Rights which include the right to contract. Some are so tyrannical that they will use government force against other people's rights in order to get the "moral" world they want. Pretty damned sick if you ask me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  8. #378
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    why is it not logical for me to stand up for what I believe?
    Logic ceases to exist once you start endorsing the infringement of rights on one group based on your personal morality and/or religion without being able to demonstrate how the first party ever infringed upon your rights. That's your fundamental breakdown.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  9. #379
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    This whole "X percentage of homosexual men have HIV means that they aren't fit for marriage" argument is complete BS. ****, by that logic the vast majority of Africa is in deep doo doo. And if we're going the STD route, how many heterosexuals have STDs? Herpes alone is something like 1 in 6, down slightly from the 1 in 5 during the late 80's early 90's. And what about all the others? I don't understand what STDs have to do with anything pertaining to the argument. Heterosexuals can be whores too.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  10. #380
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:38 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,692

    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    That's your "proof?" Thanks for the laugh.
    Absolutely. sorry it destroys your position, but it really didn't need much help. Now, if you can define "normal", that might help you a little... but having seen this before, I'm pretty sure it won't.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

Page 38 of 61 FirstFirst ... 28363738394048 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •