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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    His main view is that gay marriage will not be allowed to happen. He is willing to (as a politician) disobey the law if gay marriage is legalized and not recognize them through some form of civil disobedience. The man wants to impose his views and morals upon everyone. Essentially "my view is that gays can't marry, and they won't marry and you will just have to like it!" Is this bigoted?
    My view on whether something is bigoted or not depends on the person's motivation or reasoning. So, I cannot answer the question due to a lack of useful information.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

    It is not inequality. We have the equal right to marry the opposite gender of what we are.

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    So the genders are not equal. Other wise a woman could do what I can do, marry a woman.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    why is it not logical for me to stand up for what I believe? Likewise by your logic, it would be illogical for you to impose your beliefs on marriage on the populace of a secular society. With our secular society we may vote based on our beliefs.
    My beliefs are not imposed on anyone. Yours are.

    It is not inequality. We have the equal right to marry the opposite gender of what we are.
    You can marry a woman, I cannot. Inequality.


    And that's en example of why we should vote and voice our beliefs. Just like with my belief on abortion, I am trying to change the laws because I don't view them as morally acceptable and right. We've debated that topic much, and I know it's your belief that abortion should remain legal. My point with bringing that up, is that just because something is currently instated doesn't mean it's wrong. However, we always have the right to challenge and try to change what we believe is wrong. If you believe marriage defined as a union between one man and one woman is wrong, then it's your right to stand up for those beliefs and legally try to make your beliefs law. Likewise, it is equally right for me to voice my beliefs and try to keep things law if I believe they are right and to change other things that I believe are wrong. That's the beauty of living in a democratic society.
    Sure, you can voice your beliefs. No one is saying you can't. I'm all for freedom of speech, even if I personally find said speech abhorrent.

    However, using the law to promote inequality and discrimination is a different matter.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah, you do. Evidence has been presented that proves you wrong. If you want to demonstrate that your position is anything other than pointless blathering, it is up to you to present alternate evidence. Thus far, you have presented bupkis.
    Evidence and proof in your mind only. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up the world "debate."

    Your beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to legalities. You have no right to not be offended. Too bad.
    Wrong.

    These are legal issues, not beliefs. You fail again.
    Legal issues based on ethics and morals. Really you are just wasting my time now.

    You can say that until you're blue in the face. It is still invalid. Evidence on the pro-GM side has been presented. The only thing you have presented is "I don't like it and I don't want it". That is why your posts have demonstrated a laick of logic or evidence. You have presented nothing, as is typical with the anti-GM crowd.
    You can keep attacking my position but it won't help yours any.

    The argument has been presented several times. You are holding your hands over your ears and screaming "LALALALALALALA" because the argument destroys your position.
    You mean the argument that gay sex is "normal?" I'm new here, run it past me again.

    You have presented no evidence to counter the evidence presented. Obviously because you have NONE.
    Evidence to counter your evidence? You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
    Yes, let's take a look at this stat.

    You are saying 50% of gays are dying from AIDS without gay marriage being legalized across the board. How does this stat factor into gay marriage?

    Since marriage is supposed to promote monogomy, this would actually have the impact of LOWERING that percentage. Thank you StevenA59 for pointing out why gay marriage being legalized would actually help prmote and help reduce this stat and adding another reason why gay marriage should be legalized.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Evidence to counter your evidence? You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
    Ummm, where are you getting that stat from?

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Evidence and proof in your mind only. Perhaps you should pick up a dictionary and look up the world "debate."
    Perhaps YOU should pick up a dictionary and look up the word "evidence". You obviously have no understanding as to it's meaning, since it is what I have presented and you have avoided.



    Wrong.
    Completely insubstatial response as usual. Your beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to legalities. You have no right to NOT be offended. Prove me wrong on this, with legally based evidence, or admit you've got nothing.



    Legal issues based on ethics and morals. Really you are just wasting my time now.
    You've been wasting everyone's time with an invalid postion that you refuse to substantiate because you cannot. Irrelevant what they are based on. They are law. You STILL have no right to NOT be offended. Prove me wrong with legal evidence, or admit you've got nothing.



    You can keep attacking my position but it won't help yours any.
    Your position is so weak, there is little to attack. Only thing you've presented is "I don't like it, so I don't want it".



    You mean the argument that gay sex is "normal?" I'm new here, run it past me again.
    Easy. Normal is a value judgement and therefore is a logical fallacy.

    Good. Now you've learned something.



    Evidence to counter your evidence? You mean besides the fact that half of MSM are dying of AIDS? Yeah I get it. "But they looooove each other!"
    Prove your assertion with evidence from valid links. And then tell us how that counters anything that anyone has said supporting GM. If you cannot or refuse, admit that you have nothing.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, let's take a look at this stat.

    You are saying 50% of gays are dying from AIDS without gay marriage being legalized across the board. How does this stat factor into gay marriage?

    Since marriage is supposed to promote monogomy, this would actually have the impact of LOWERING that percentage. Thank you StevenA59 for pointing out why gay marriage being legalized would actually help prmote and help reduce this stat and adding another reason why gay marriage should be legalized.
    He opposes same-sex marriage, therefore he is encouraging the sort of risky sexual behavior that spreads HIV. Therefore, he wants gay people to die!

    Hey, it makes about as much sense as his "logical" arguments. Look, guys, you oppose same-sex marriage for emotional and religious reasons. Fine, it's your right to think that way. Trying to justify it in other terms is just lunacy.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...NAL508COMP.pdf

    I posted it five minutes ago. Now you've lost your temper and are bringing out the guns. Enough of this.

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