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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Most States allow minors of a specific age to marry with their parents' written consent. In some States, this age is lower even than the age of consent.
    Yes that's exactly what Ikari was saying. The children are below the age of consent for a marriage contract so need their parents' signoff.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But only you think documenting one thing somehow proves something else entirely.
    I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymmore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I understand you aren't interested in the debate anymmore once I proved how easily your own argument can be used for so many other alternative lifestyles so let's agree to disagree on this one.
    You are possibly the only person on here that could believe that posting which countries allow polygamy is the same thing as proving to someone that polygamists raise children well or at least as well as heterosexual couples and that it is that easily comparable to studies conducted to show how homosexual can raise children as well as heterosexual couples can. You have posted no information on how many people in those countries actually practice polygamy. You have posted no information on studies of children raised by those polygamists. You haven't even posted any information about how well children are raised in those countries, whether by heterosexuals, homosexuals, polygamists, single parents, or the country as a whole.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are possibly the only person on here that could believe that posting which countries allow polygamy is the same thing as proving to someone that polygamists raise children well or at least as well as heterosexual couples and that it is that easily comparable to studies conducted to show how homosexual can raise children as well as heterosexual couples can. You have posted no information on how many people in those countries actually practice polygamy. You have posted no information on studies of children raised by those polygamists. You haven't even posted any information about how well children are raised in those countries, whether by heterosexuals, homosexuals, polygamists, single parents, or the country as a whole.
    It's kinda funny how some people keep using the word "prove" in some form as if they had presented factual information which qualitatively proves that GM is bad or will lead to something worse. Mostly it's just a hodgepodge of ignorance, intolerance, bigotry, and theocracy.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    I'm surprised no one has commented on my post a few pages back, however I do want an answer to this question.

    If a politician said "We will not allow gay marriage and you will have to like it!" Does that make him a bigot?
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm surprised no one has commented on my post a few pages back, however I do want an answer to this question.

    If a politician said "We will not allow gay marriage and you will have to like it!" Does that make him a bigot?
    Maybe or maybe not. It depends on the reasons the politician has for the stance.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post

    If a politician said "We will not allow gay marriage and you will have to like it!" Does that make him a bigot?
    By that quote alone, no it doesn't make him a bigot. However, when he explains his reasons why he said it, yes that could make him one.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Maybe or maybe not. It depends on the reasons the politician has for the stance.
    His reason is that he feels no gays should be allowed to marry and no one else has the right to tell him otherwise. In the context he is being loud and forceful with his comment as well.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm surprised no one has commented on my post a few pages back, however I do want an answer to this question.

    If a politician said "We will not allow gay marriage and you will have to like it!" Does that make him a bigot?
    That alone, you can't really gauge. But very likely it would mean he's rather ignorant on the issue and the rights of the individual.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    His reason is that he feels no gays should be allowed to marry and no one else has the right to tell him otherwise. In the context he is being loud and forceful with his comment as well.
    He feels that gays should not marry as an arbitrary feeling or is there further reasoning behind that?

    If he just feels it because thats how he feels, I wouldn't say it is bigoted but highly illogical.

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