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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    You can keep dismissing arguments out of hand. You can reject all arguments and proof. You can stick your head in the sand for all I care. Paraphrasing Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the debate. /pwnd
    Let me know when you show any proof. Thus far, you've shown nothing except unsubstantiated opinion. Your position is a loser and it is you that can't handle the truth, as evidencec by the fact that you have refused to listen to all of the debunking of your position that has been presented. Now, you can close your eyes, put your hand over your ears, and shout "LALALALALALALA" all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that you have demonstrated zero logic to your position.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    You can keep dismissing arguments out of hand. You can reject all arguments and proof. You can stick your head in the sand for all I care. Paraphrasing Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the debate. /pwnd
    Could you point out the arguments and 'proof' he's supposedly ignoring? I've read the thread and can't seem to find them anywhere.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

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    So is that what should be argued in court? "The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin, your honor." That wouldn't go over very well.

    Now, a better argument might be, "Your honor, many of the voters in this state view homosexuality as a sin and same sex marriage as a redefinition of marriage. This is why they voted for this Proposition." Then it is a matter of do voters have the right to deny equal treatment to a group, without actual proof that the group having that equal treatment will do harm to the existing institution but in fact with proof that actually allowing equal treatment to the group will most likely improve the lives of many of the group members and their families.
    The Bible has been around as a code of ethics/law for thousands of years. The GM movement, about ten. You can laugh and ridicule the Bible, but that doesn't change its importance. As for gay rights, keep it behind closed doors. I'm not interested in that lifestyle, I personally think it's sick, and I don't want my family exposed to it.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Could you point out the arguments and 'proof' he's supposedly ignoring? I've read the thread and can't seem to find them anywhere.
    He can't. He has shown a shred of evidence to his position. All it is, is unsubstantiated opinion. I have no illusions that he will change his mind... he's locked into the lack of logic of what he believes. My job is to show how ridiculous what he believes happens to be. A very easy task, I must say.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    The Bible has been around as a code of ethics/law for thousands of years. The GM movement, about ten. You can laugh and ridicule the Bible, but that doesn't change its importance. As for gay rights, keep it behind closed doors. I'm not interested in that lifestyle, I personally think it's sick, and I don't want my family exposed to it.
    The bible is A code, not the code. And you have no right to not be offended. Don't like it? Too bad.

    You make this so easy.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Let me know when you show any proof. Thus far, you've shown nothing except unsubstantiated opinion. Your position is a loser and it is you that can't handle the truth, as evidencec by the fact that you have refused to listen to all of the debunking of your position that has been presented. Now, you can close your eyes, put your hand over your ears, and shout "LALALALALALALA" all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that you have demonstrated zero logic to your position.
    Stop wasting my time. You are the one dismissing every argument is "irrelevant." So stop asking for endless repetition of the arguments.

    Could you point out the arguments and 'proof' he's supposedly ignoring? I've read the thread and can't seem to find them anywhere.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    The Bible has been around as a code of ethics/law for thousands of years. The GM movement, about ten. You can laugh and ridicule the Bible, but that doesn't change its importance. As for gay rights, keep it behind closed doors. I'm not interested in that lifestyle, I personally think it's sick, and I don't want my family exposed to it.
    As for your lifestyple, keep it behind closed doors. I'm not interested in that lifestyle, I personally think it's sick, and I don't want my family exposed to it.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The bible is A code, not the code. And you have no right to not be offended. Don't like it? Too bad.

    You make this so easy.
    I've got every right I need. My opinion is as valid as yours, moreso since I don't simply stick my head in the sand when I'm challenged. Anyone who thinks they can exclude the Bible from this discussion simply by ignoring it is living in a fantasy world.

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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Yes and if you had read the studies cited you would have found the basis for their conclusions come from unsupervised questionaires without 1on1 interviews with the chdilren. Hardly concrete.



    By that logic any couple that wanted to marry should be allowed. Have you thought about all the different combinations you are opening the door to?



    LOL That is hardly a reason to change the law based on a one time supposed economic benifit.
    So basically you can't really argue much on my points?

    Are you going to argue that you have valid proof that all or even most homosexual couples do not make good parents? Keep in mind, that the research should focus on couples not raising children that are biologically the product of both partners, whatever their sexuality is. Otherwise, you are not arguing a 1 to 1 comparison.

    Also, so tell me what those combinations are that it opens marriage up to as legally accepted relationships currently in the US. They should meet the same scrutiny that homosexual relationships are providing proof for. The couples who would be restricted would need to show their need for legal recognition and why their being allowed to legally marry would provide benefits to society like those I have listed. The only one I can think of is polygamy, since the others normally listed already are part of each other's legal family or are not legal relationships anyway. Despite popular arguments from anti-gm side, there is an interest in limiting relationships that are proven to be harmful, so then it is necessary to prove that why it is not in the state's interest to limit those relationships. Lawrence v. Texas already established that what two consenting adults do in there bedroom is not in the state's interest. There are even some good arguments against legalizing polygamy already. Whether it should be open or not, I am back and forth on, but realize the complications that come with making polygamous marriage legal. It is not something that is easy to compare like homosexual and heterosexual relationships.

    Since, the economic benefit is not my only argument, then it is worth it to mention. Of course it shouldn't be considered worth it for that alone. But considering the other benefits, it adds to those benefits. It helps to trump some of those perceived "harms" that the anti-gm side fears might happen, with no actual proof.
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    Re: After Final Arguments in Prop. 8 Trial, Maggie Gallagher Expects Judge will Overt

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenA59 View Post
    Stop wasting my time. You are the one dismissing every argument is "irrelevant." So stop asking for endless repetition of the arguments.
    That's because each of your arguments IS irrelevant, as shown by evidence and logic. You have demonstrated nothing. Show any research that supports your position. Unless you do, all you are doing is wasting everyone else's time with your personal, baseless opinions.



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    Try again. Or, if you have nothing, just admit it so we can just dismiss your comments as opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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